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Subaru for tailgating
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Old Jun 3, 2016 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by My0gr81
Avec des si et des mais, on mettrait Paris en bouteille Translation: With If's and but's we could put Paris in a bottle.

Subaru driver was wrong for tail gating, everyone here agrees, so what is your point?
Look at the poll, most said the Honda driver was at fault or both at fault though the Subaru has caught up for now.
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Old Jun 3, 2016 | 08:41 AM
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If people would just follow the golden rule. Things would be so much better, and things like this wouldn't happen. I know it's pretty much a pipe dream in this day and age. I can still dream though.
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Old Jun 3, 2016 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by litesoarer
Provoked, or not, The Honda Pilot's driver knowingly and willingly created an unsafe condition not once, but twice in an increasingly aggressive manner.

This trumps the Subaru driver's careless approach and mishandling in this incident.
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Old Jun 3, 2016 | 08:47 AM
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What was the point of the Subaru driver driving so close when he CLEARLY does not have the skills to handle a situation like this which is most likely to happen?
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Old Jun 3, 2016 | 09:29 AM
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What was the point of the Subaru driver driving so close when he CLEARLY does not have the skills to handle a situation like this which is most likely to happen?
Nothing to do with skills. If you see a vechicle too close to you, you let him pass. You simply change lanes, you don't break check people. The road does not belong to one driver, there are no personal spaces.
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Old Jun 3, 2016 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SNiiP3R
Nothing to do with skills. If you see a vechicle too close to you, you let him pass. You simply change lanes,
Why should one let him pass? Why? Why?

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you don't break check people. The road does not belong to one driver, there are no personal spaces.
But that is a real situation. What if the driver in front saw a dog in the way, and braked? What if sunlight got in his eyes and he brakes to reduce speed as a safety measure?
Call it all you like, the fault lies squarely with the Subie for
1. Tailgating
2. Not having the skills to survive an emergency situation
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Old Jun 3, 2016 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by chikoo
Why should one let him pass? Why? Why?


But that is a real situation. What if the driver in front saw a dog in the way, and braked? What if sunlight got in his eyes and he brakes to reduce speed as a safety measure?
Call it all you like, the fault lies squarely with the Subie for
1. Tailgating
2. Not having the skills to survive an emergency situation
There is no what if in this situation.

I am taking the liberty of reporting this to the proper state authority with the video as evidence and am waiting to hear back if charges will be pressed.
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Old Jun 3, 2016 | 10:08 AM
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Old Jun 3, 2016 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by litesoarer
There is no what if in this situation.
REally?
The whole concept of driving is based upon a What IF situation. Looks like you need to go back to driving school.

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I am taking the liberty of reporting this to the proper state authority with the video as evidence and am waiting to hear back if charges will be pressed.
Do so. I am sure the cops have better work to do then try and mediate a situation created by 2 idiots.
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Old Jun 3, 2016 | 10:18 AM
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It's plainly obvious in this thread who would pull a move like the Honda driver did and frankly it's very disturbing.

The Subaru driver certainly could use some driving lessons but the Honda driver had no call and no place making an unsafe road condition into a dangerous road condition which resulted in a collision and likely backed up traffic in their wake.
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Old Jun 3, 2016 | 10:23 AM
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Here is how stupid the mentally of a brake checker sounds. While as long as you are following far enough back to stop no matter what happens with th car in front of you. If they are stopping for a child or for idiotic reasons. The Subaru in the first video is as stupid as the pilot, because he wasn't at a safe distance.
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Old Jun 3, 2016 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by litesoarer
It's plainly obvious in this thread who would pull a move like the Honda driver did and frankly it's very disturbing.
Obvious? How do you know? Do you practice in that art too?

You have no insight into what was going on in the Honda Pilot Cabin. Maybe the 2 were fighting, or maybe the driver was trying to reduce speed for he thought he was speeding.... the what IF are many

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The Subaru driver certainly could use some driving lessons
At least we agree on that

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but the Honda driver had no call and no place making an unsafe road condition into a dangerous road condition which resulted in a collision and likely backed up traffic in their wake.
Read above. Do you have special insight on why the Honda Pilot applied brakes other than your gut feel?
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Old Jun 3, 2016 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I disagree. The Pilot looks to be going fast enough. The Subi was an idiot
There is no such thing as left lane "fast enough" if you're going 120mph and someone is trying to overtake you MOVE OVER. No discussion no whining just move.
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Old Jun 3, 2016 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Lexus2000
There is no such thing as left lane "fast enough" if you're going 120mph and someone is trying to overtake you MOVE OVER. No discussion no whining just move.
and is this the way you communicate with the vehicle ahead of you? Ride the tail? AFAIK, you are supposed to flash to pass or Blow your horn.
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Old Jun 3, 2016 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by chikoo
Obvious? How do you know? Do you practice in that art too?

You have no insight into what was going on in the Honda Pilot Cabin. Maybe the 2 were fighting, or maybe the driver was trying to reduce speed for he thought he was speeding.... the what IF are many


At least we agree on that



Read above. Do you have special insight on why the Honda Pilot applied brakes other than your gut feel?
Anyone that drives 50-70K miles a year between commuting and on the job should know how to read traffic. The movements of the Subaru and the Honda indicate that the Subaru driver had the intention to pass the Honda on the right (Yes, they would have cut them off in the process and would have been wrong for doing so)

The Honda driver was not in fact driving too slow in the left lane as they had just passed the pickup and were in process of passing another vehicle.

The point of conflict is the Subaru closing in on the Honda driver and moving in for the pass. The Honda driver sees this and aggressively blocks the attempt to pass.

The Subaru should have hung back and waited to pass until the Honda passed the next vehicle to the right, then passed on the left as customary. This did not happen though and they attempted another pass on right and were aggressively blocked a second time, then swerved into the right lane in error, losing control of the vehicle in the process.

Both made poor decisions here but the Honda driver should not have responded in that manner.
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