View Poll Results: Who was at fault
Subaru for tailgating
16
24.24%
Honda for brake checking
17
25.76%
Both of them
33
50.00%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll
don't tailgate....
Lexus Test Driver
Joined: Dec 2006
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From: NT
I agree with Jill. Limits are limits, whether left or right lane.....and if the Pilot was not speeding, legally he or she was correct. The Subie was too close and probably too fast. One thing, though, even without VSC, looks odd. 
Subie Symmetrical AWD systems are some of the best on the planet (I owned one myself of the same vintage as that Legacy)...and the traction from those AWD systems is so good that that car probably should not have spun out, especially with ABS (which the 2005 models had). Maybe the guy was driving on worn or bald tires....but even so, they should have gripped better than that on dry pavement.
Having said that, though, I'll also agree with Hoovey and yardie that brake-checking is sometimes not a very wise thing to do, legal or not.
Well, like it or not, though, that is sometimes going to happen....there's no way around that, simply because there are too many vehicles on today's roads and not enough cops to adequately police them. Jill is right...the Subie simply should have slowed down and stayed farther back. It would have saved his car...and any injuries he and/or his passenger suffered. (I hope, of course, the injuries weren't serious). The guy can argue all he wants about left-lane freedom and having a so-called "right to speed"....but look where that got him.
Subie Symmetrical AWD systems are some of the best on the planet (I owned one myself of the same vintage as that Legacy)...and the traction from those AWD systems is so good that that car probably should not have spun out, especially with ABS (which the 2005 models had). Maybe the guy was driving on worn or bald tires....but even so, they should have gripped better than that on dry pavement.Having said that, though, I'll also agree with Hoovey and yardie that brake-checking is sometimes not a very wise thing to do, legal or not.
Well, like it or not, though, that is sometimes going to happen....there's no way around that, simply because there are too many vehicles on today's roads and not enough cops to adequately police them. Jill is right...the Subie simply should have slowed down and stayed farther back. It would have saved his car...and any injuries he and/or his passenger suffered. (I hope, of course, the injuries weren't serious). The guy can argue all he wants about left-lane freedom and having a so-called "right to speed"....but look where that got him.
Lexus Fanatic
Joined: Oct 2003
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From: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Well, yes, there are certainly a lot of bozo drivers (that Legacy jock in the video proved it). But that doesn't necessarily mean that there are too many cops. In most places I've seen, there usually aren't enough....and that's why so many bozos on the road do the things they do.
Racer
Joined: Aug 2012
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From: CALIFORNIA
bigger idiot in the subaru.
WTF is he driving so close for? Driver's education always teaches to keep a safe distance for good reaction time.
While the Pilot may not be going as fast as some people like, he is actually slowly passing the right lane cars.
First he passes the chevy truck, and on the 2nd brake check, there was another silver SUV he was creeping up on.
That said, Pilot was not pacing the odyssey in front of it. Pilot was falling back a little.
Brake check = keep your distance.
How else are you supposed to tell people to back the F off a little?
Yeah the civil thing to do is just to let the Suby Bro pass since bro is in a hurry.
I also wonder, if the PIlot went 10mph faster, would the subaru still hang on its ***? Probably would tailgate the Pilot no matter how fast the Pilot went.
The other issue is, how much do you exceed the speed limit on the passing lane? They're probably already exceeding the speed limit.
WTF is he driving so close for? Driver's education always teaches to keep a safe distance for good reaction time.
While the Pilot may not be going as fast as some people like, he is actually slowly passing the right lane cars.
First he passes the chevy truck, and on the 2nd brake check, there was another silver SUV he was creeping up on.
That said, Pilot was not pacing the odyssey in front of it. Pilot was falling back a little.
Brake check = keep your distance.
How else are you supposed to tell people to back the F off a little?
Yeah the civil thing to do is just to let the Suby Bro pass since bro is in a hurry.
I also wonder, if the PIlot went 10mph faster, would the subaru still hang on its ***? Probably would tailgate the Pilot no matter how fast the Pilot went.
The other issue is, how much do you exceed the speed limit on the passing lane? They're probably already exceeding the speed limit.
Last edited by pman6; Jun 1, 2016 at 08:28 PM.
Lead Lap
Joined: Oct 2002
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From: TX
bigger idiot in the subaru.
WTF is he driving so close for? Driver's education always teaches to keep a safe distance for good reaction time.
While the Pilot may not be going as fast as some people like, he is actually slowly passing the right lane cars.
First he passes the chevy truck, and on the 2nd brake check, there was another silver SUV he was creeping up on.
That said, Pilot was not pacing the odyssey in front of it. Pilot was falling back a little.
Brake check = keep your distance.
How else are you supposed to tell people to back the F off a little?
Yeah the civil thing to do is just to let the Suby Bro pass since bro is in a hurry.
I also wonder, if the PIlot went 10mph faster, would the subaru still hang on its ***? Probably would tailgate the Pilot no matter how fast the Pilot went.
The other issue is, how much do you exceed the speed limit on the passing lane? They're probably already exceeding the speed limit.
WTF is he driving so close for? Driver's education always teaches to keep a safe distance for good reaction time.
While the Pilot may not be going as fast as some people like, he is actually slowly passing the right lane cars.
First he passes the chevy truck, and on the 2nd brake check, there was another silver SUV he was creeping up on.
That said, Pilot was not pacing the odyssey in front of it. Pilot was falling back a little.
Brake check = keep your distance.
How else are you supposed to tell people to back the F off a little?
Yeah the civil thing to do is just to let the Suby Bro pass since bro is in a hurry.
I also wonder, if the PIlot went 10mph faster, would the subaru still hang on its ***? Probably would tailgate the Pilot no matter how fast the Pilot went.
The other issue is, how much do you exceed the speed limit on the passing lane? They're probably already exceeding the speed limit.
Lead Lap
Joined: May 2015
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From: West Coast
This is definitely on the Honda driver. People will be d*cks and most folks get tailed every day. The reasonable thing to do is to just move out of the way. The person tailing/pressurizing you will one day be caught by a cop and learn their lesson. Taking the law into your own hands is reckless and dumb.
Racer
Joined: Aug 2012
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From: CALIFORNIA
egg and chicken here.
if he didn't follow so close, pilot wouldn't brake check.
I wouldn't brake check that abruptly though. The Pilot brake checked like an a-hole.
I would just ride the brake pedal enough to light up the tail light without slowing down.
if he didn't follow so close, pilot wouldn't brake check.
I wouldn't brake check that abruptly though. The Pilot brake checked like an a-hole.
I would just ride the brake pedal enough to light up the tail light without slowing down.
Lexus Test Driver
Joined: Dec 2006
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From: NT
Pilot driver is obviously paying attention to their RVM but is using that visual for a childish purpose. I'd cite both drivers upon reviewing the video.
Reckless Driving + Failure to keep right except to pass + Impeding flow of traffic (Wording may differ by state) on the Pilot, Careless Driving on the Subie.
Reckless Driving + Failure to keep right except to pass + Impeding flow of traffic (Wording may differ by state) on the Pilot, Careless Driving on the Subie.
Lexus Champion
Joined: Jan 2006
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From: TX
gets brake checked once and goes back for more....idiot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQJO...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQJO...ature=youtu.be
Lexus Champion
Joined: Aug 2012
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From: TN
They're both dicks IMO. I do "brake check" people who are following me too close, but that consists of letting off the gas and slowing down gradually, while putting my foot on the brake just enough to light up the tailights. I'm not going to slam on the brakes and risk having the jackass hit me. Although in that type of situation where you can let the a@@hole on by, I always get out of the way, let him go **** off the next person.
They're both dicks IMO. I do "brake check" people who are following me too close, but that consists of letting off the gas and slowing down gradually, while putting my foot on the brake just enough to light up the tailights. I'm not going to slam on the brakes and risk having the jackass hit me. Although in that type of situation where you can let the a@@hole on by, I always get out of the way, let him go **** off the next person.
Life's too short to road rage so I avoid the left unless passing too
Lexus Test Driver
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: Ontario
Even if neither get charged, the Insurance companies will have field day to assign shared liability to both drivers for the damages and each one gets to raise the driver's rates going forward.
Here in Ontario and all other Canadian provinces, if a major injury or death occurs due to dangerous driving, it can be grounds for criminal charges.