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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ronsinsc
As a long time Porsche owner I would agree hundred percent with the statement above.. If you are looking at performance you should look at torque.. Is horsepower rating of the car you are looking at the horsepower at the wheels or at the flywheel. Porsche at least the older ones 98 and older horsepower and torque are rated at the rear wheels. There's really no appreciable loss of power on a Porsche because the gearboxes bolted directly to the engine and transfers power directly to the transaxle, I think that's the correct way to explain it.
Since 95% of what you said is wrong, it's NOT the correct way to "explain it".

Porsche flat 6 cylinder engines have always been designed for hi rpm horsepower at the expense of low rpm torque. The low vehicle weight allows this to work in a sport car designed for the autobahn.
All car manufacturers rate their engine's power at the flywheel because the engine may be used in different platform configurations. Maybe you are confusing the Din horsepower rating. My 2000 Box with manual transaxle has about 14% driveline power loss to the rear wheels. The automatic transaxle has about 16%.

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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbwb
After owning a Boxster, 911 S, and now a 997.2 TT, I can tell you its NOT boring having that kind of power and acceleration.
first off, major congrats on your porsche ownership history! ok, i'm jealous.

Yes, its tough to exploit that speed within legal limits but when you leave a stop light or accelerate out of a corner, there's very few cars that are as enjoyable.
i get that at a stop light you can leave just about everything in the dust, but in what, 7 seconds or less you're doing 100 and probably have to slam on the brakes way before. to me that's not very interesting.

now in corners, yes, incredible ability to power out of them, but again, i don't really want to power out of a corner between 80 and 100 on 'back roads' because should anything be around the corner, it, and possibly me, are toast. i guess i find a slower great handling car more fun and feel more comfortable (less scared!) in it. but hey, not knocking your TT, it's incredible.

The GT3 is a track car and not well suited for everyday road use (unless you enjoy a rough ride).
the gt3 i was in was surprisingly comfortable, and not even that loud. and spectacularly fast with amazing handling, but i wasn't in it day in and day out of course. and i guess i prefer lighter cars as funmobiles.

back to the thread title, that's again why i'd prefer a boxster or cayman over a HEAVY rc-f even though it sounds like Lexus did a good job with the handling despite the weight but in the end, physics wins.
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
first off, major congrats on your porsche ownership history! ok, i'm jealous.



i get that at a stop light you can leave just about everything in the dust, but in what, 7 seconds or less you're doing 100 and probably have to slam on the brakes way before. to me that's not very interesting.

now in corners, yes, incredible ability to power out of them, but again, i don't really want to power out of a corner between 80 and 100 on 'back roads' because should anything be around the corner, it, and possibly me, are toast. i guess i find a slower great handling car more fun and feel more comfortable (less scared!) in it. but hey, not knocking your TT, it's incredible.



the gt3 i was in was surprisingly comfortable, and not even that loud. and spectacularly fast with amazing handling, but i wasn't in it day in and day out of course. and i guess i prefer lighter cars as funmobiles.

back to the thread title, that's again why i'd prefer a boxster or cayman over a HEAVY rc-f even though it sounds like Lexus did a good job with the handling despite the weight but in the end, physics wins.
Thank you, I am very fortunate to have owned a few neat cars at my age. Handing is an aspect of the car I truly appreciate as well. I had Acura Integras and a few Honda preludes growing up and they were excellent handling cars with mediocre power. I know what you are saying, ha! Fortunately the Porsches (mine included) are well rounded cars that also handle well in addition to great acceleration.

I agree the GT3 that Ive ridden in (2014) was not over the top stiff, however I was on a track. With each new generation, they handle better and ride smoother
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by gengar
I don't get this argument at all. The 467hp in the RC-F is even less usable on the street than the much lower hp Boxster.
How is it less usable? You have more flexibility with more power. As in you don't need to row it just to get some punch. I know the boxster isn't a slouch in accelerating but it's not near 465hp. That's usable for whenever you want that kick. The fact the RC F is a Lexus on top of it basically defeats that notion.

Originally Posted by mikez
You should really take a boxter or cayman out for a spin on some back roads, these cars are not about high speed enjoyments, they are about the agility and responsiveness on the twists and curves.

Compared to the cayman / box, the RCF is a pig. The cayman / box are the types of car where if you switch from one high performance summer brand to another, you can tell which one has a harder sidewall by the split sec change the car responds to your steering input.

The RCF, much like the ISF, makes good daily drivers and occasional spirited drive, I would compare it more to the C class AMG or any high power 4 door sedan
Obviously you're going to compare it to those cars because that's the cars in it's segment. But in a vs situation against a Porsche, you don't look at comparing them directly in every performance aspect. The Porsche is lighter and it's a sportscar. The Lexus has more power and torque and is a sporty coupe closer to a GT. There's plusses and minuses for both. That's my point.

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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Byprodrive
Yeah that's why I have only put 103k miles on my Box up & down the CA 405 fwy the last 13 yrs.

It's obvious you have never driven a Box.
13 years is a 2003, terrible terrible cars

It's also the butt of jokes:

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Old Jan 14, 2016 | 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TF109B
How is it less usable? You have more flexibility with more power. As in you don't need to row it just to get some punch. I know the boxster isn't a slouch in accelerating but it's not near 465hp. That's usable for whenever you want that kick. The fact the RC F is a Lexus on top of it basically defeats that notion.
I think that's where the difference is / miscommunication lies. Less HP means you can drive the car screaming to the red line, through a few gears before hitting the speed limit (think S2K, miata) so you get the exhilaration for longer vs. something like the RCF where you can break the speed limit in 2nd gear.

Back when i had my lotus there were some back roads I always hit up near my house, now I have the aston I stopped driving on them because I can hit 70+ mph in 2nd gear, way too fast for the road, but if I upshift I wont have enough low range tq and it gets boring
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