Toyota S-FR Concept announced!
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should be possible, it would most likely be built on a chopped 86 chassis so the development costs would be lower than a sports car built from the ground up.
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first of all, it wont be $12k in Japan, this is bogus news... when it comes to Impreza - it is econobox... what does it have to do with unique RWD coupe that sells 20x less? It should be around $20k equivalent. Unlike MX-5, this is 4 seater... so dont expect much lower price than Miata.
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If they use existing platform, then it not achieve weight and performance goals they want...
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granted the car is very bare bones, but if it's a ground-up car--it's gotta be sold outside of just Asia, right??
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first of all, it wont be $12k in Japan, this is bogus news... when it comes to Impreza - it is econobox... what does it have to do with unique RWD coupe that sells 20x less? It should be around $20k equivalent. Unlike MX-5, this is 4 seater... so dont expect much lower price than Miata.
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Would it be correct to assume that the S-FR is built on a variation of the new modular TNGA platform for (small) AWD/RWD vehicles? Assuming so, it would share common components with future small Toyota vehicles.
The Impreza chassis is built for Subaru's horizontally-opposed flat-4 engine. That platform (like the flat-4 GT86 / FR-S / BRZ) would not be suited for use with the 1.5-litre inline-4 NR(?) engine that seemingly will power the S-FR.
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Would it be correct to assume that the S-FR is built on a variation of the new modular TNGA platform for (small) AWD/RWD vehicles? Assuming so, it would share common components with future small Toyota vehicles.
The Impreza chassis is built for Subaru's horizontally-opposed flat-4 engine. That platform (like the flat-4 GT86 / FR-S / BRZ) would not be suited for use with the 1.5-litre inline-4 NR(?) engine that seemingly will power the S-FR.
The Impreza chassis is built for Subaru's horizontally-opposed flat-4 engine. That platform (like the flat-4 GT86 / FR-S / BRZ) would not be suited for use with the 1.5-litre inline-4 NR(?) engine that seemingly will power the S-FR.
$12.500 is too little since Yaris sells for more in Japan.
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If Corolla and Impreza are selling for "$18k", that does not mean that purpose built small RWD car can sell for same money.... It is just unrealistic expectation for the pricing. Economies of scale are much, much lower with this car than Corolla or Impreza which share platform with many other vehicles and end up being produced in hundreds of thousands.
Folding top in Miata probably does not cost a lot more to produce than rear bench in S-FR... So we cant really expect it to be $7k cheaper or as some believe $12k cheaper than Miata. Same as Miata, it will have to recoup its investment at much larger % of sales price since small amount of them will be sold compared to Camry or Corolla.
Not that I wouldnt want it to be cheapo... I would... i wish they make it similar to price as base Corolla, at $16k or so. But I also wish they add 1.2t turbo version for $2k more.
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Well, this car has nothing to do with Subaru, so it wont have anything to do with Impreza.
If Corolla and Impreza are selling for "$18k", that does not mean that purpose built small RWD car can sell for same money.... It is just unrealistic expectation for the pricing. Economies of scale are much, much lower with this car than Corolla or Impreza which share platform with many other vehicles and end up being produced in hundreds of thousands.
Folding top in Miata probably does not cost a lot more to produce than rear bench in S-FR... So we cant really expect it to be $7k cheaper or as some believe $12k cheaper than Miata. Same as Miata, it will have to recoup its investment at much larger % of sales price since small amount of them will be sold compared to Camry or Corolla.
Not that I wouldnt want it to be cheapo... I would... i wish they make it similar to price as base Corolla, at $16k or so. But I also wish they add 1.2t turbo version for $2k more.
If Corolla and Impreza are selling for "$18k", that does not mean that purpose built small RWD car can sell for same money.... It is just unrealistic expectation for the pricing. Economies of scale are much, much lower with this car than Corolla or Impreza which share platform with many other vehicles and end up being produced in hundreds of thousands.
Folding top in Miata probably does not cost a lot more to produce than rear bench in S-FR... So we cant really expect it to be $7k cheaper or as some believe $12k cheaper than Miata. Same as Miata, it will have to recoup its investment at much larger % of sales price since small amount of them will be sold compared to Camry or Corolla.
Not that I wouldnt want it to be cheapo... I would... i wish they make it similar to price as base Corolla, at $16k or so. But I also wish they add 1.2t turbo version for $2k more.
the only thing that makes logical sense is the leaked specs and pricing may be only partially true. Let's look at the high end of the numbers. The leaked specs state the estimated price is "$10K USD less than a current Miata".
Given that criteria and using USD, I looked up a local price of a 2016 Mazda Miata and MSRP is almost $33K:
http://www.westcottmazda.com/showroo...onvertible.htm
So, $10K less is $23K, so this car may be over $20K USD.
Given that criteria and using USD, I looked up a local price of a 2016 Mazda Miata and MSRP is almost $33K:
http://www.westcottmazda.com/showroo...onvertible.htm
So, $10K less is $23K, so this car may be over $20K USD.
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the only thing that makes logical sense is the leaked specs and pricing may be only partially true. Let's look at the high end of the numbers. The leaked specs state the estimated price is "$10K USD less than a current Miata".
Given that criteria and using USD, I looked up a local price of a 2016 Mazda Miata and MSRP is almost $33K:
http://www.westcottmazda.com/showroo...onvertible.htm
So, $10K less is $23K, so this car may be over $20K USD.
Given that criteria and using USD, I looked up a local price of a 2016 Mazda Miata and MSRP is almost $33K:
http://www.westcottmazda.com/showroo...onvertible.htm
So, $10K less is $23K, so this car may be over $20K USD.
2016 Mazda MX-5 Miatar
MPG: Up to 27 city, 36 highway
Horsepower: 155 HP
Engine: 2.0L 4-cylinder
MSRP: From $24,915
Curb weight: 2,332 to 2,381 lbs
$33K is their top end fully loaded model. the MSRP for the base trim is 25k....wouldn't it be $15K ~ $17K for this little GEM?
2016 Mazda MX-5 Miatar
MPG: Up to 27 city, 36 highway
Horsepower: 155 HP
Engine: 2.0L 4-cylinder
MSRP: From $24,915
Curb weight: 2,332 to 2,381 lbs
2016 Mazda MX-5 Miatar
MPG: Up to 27 city, 36 highway
Horsepower: 155 HP
Engine: 2.0L 4-cylinder
MSRP: From $24,915
Curb weight: 2,332 to 2,381 lbs
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