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Old 09-03-16, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i don't think he's good at all, but he is... consistent. his phony 'broadcast voice' smirky smile and attempts at humor is like a used car salesperson. he can't say 'wheels' - he says 'hawheels'.
One thing he isn't is a fake. When you meet him and talk one on one, he is honest and gets right to the point. He is also not stuffy like some guys in the auto press. His biggest problem, at least from what I can see, seems to be that the show just doesn't give him enough time to do a thorough review.


not saying he's not a nice guy i know you say he is, and i'm sure you're right. i just think there's a reason he's on a 1/2 hr low budget show on pbs. but good for him for having kept it going all these years.
I just don't know how he and Pat Goss manage to get along LOL. The two have almost completely opposite personalities.

it wouldn't as i simply don't care about 99.9% of old cars.
I'll agree at least partly. It's hard to get excited about the American-designed garbage that was prevalent in the 1980s. That was the decade that finally drove many Americans (including me) away from the Big Three. I myself converted to Mazda in 1984....didn't come back until Saturn had perfected the plastic-bodied S-series in the late 1990s.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i record motorweek (dvr) and it usually takes me about 10 minutes to watch it.
- skip all the 'sponsors' (aka advertising on other channels )
- watch davis intro and big review
- skip green crap
- skip goss
- watch news
- watch long term updates
- watch quick take
- skip retro (old crappy cars )
- that's about it.
That is basically how I watch it when I dvr it, skip the green preaching/nonsense nobody cares about, commercials, reviews on boring vehicles(most cuvs, minivans, economy cars), sometimes Goss is okay especially when you do much of your own maintenance, only takes about 10min to watch if that. I do like watching some older reviews though on cars I liked when I was younger and may possibly want as a project car or low priced 3rd car.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna

i'm not with ya there... watching a review of a 1985 Fiero is about as exciting as a painting show on pbs. :
Bob Ross' show might be the most relaxing and therapeutic thing on TV... Happy Trees.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i don't think he's good at all, but he is... consistent. his phony 'broadcast voice' smirky smile and attempts at humor is like a used car salesperson. he can't say 'wheels' - he says 'hawheels'.
not saying he's not a nice guy i know you say he is, and i'm sure you're right. i just think there's a reason he's on a 1/2 hr low budget show on pbs. but good for him for having kept it going all these years.
I like MotorWeek, but I think Davis likes too much, and sugar coats criticisms.

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I just don't know how he and Pat Goss manage to get along LOL. The two have almost completely opposite personalities.
Who says that they do? I've never seen them on screen together on the show. They could record their respective segments on different planets, for all we know.
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Originally Posted by tex2670
I like MotorWeek, but I think Davis likes too much, and sugar coats criticisms.
IMO he's a lot more honest than the critics who often write car-reviews for newspapers. Some of them wouldn't criticize the car they are testing if it caught fire on them LOL. Also, like I said earlier, he's hamstrung a little by the time-constraints on his reviews.

Who says that they do? I've never seen them on screen together on the show. They could record their respective segments on different planets, for all we know.
They are together sometimes on Goss's TV and radio call-in shows, where callers phone in questions about car and motorcycle care. I've talked to Goss a few times myself on some issues, but have not met him personally, like with John Davis.

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I like Davis' style presenting the show. He's one of a kind and I grew up as a kid who loved cars watching MotorWeek and listening to John Davis.

I wouldn't consider it a source of hard hitting reviews, they basically like everything.
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It seems when MW doesn't like something about a car they'll mention it, almost casually,and move on. They don't beat it to death.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
IMO he's a lot more honest than the critics who often write car-reviews for newspapers. Some of them wouldn't criticize the car they are testing if it caught fire on them LOL. Also, like I said earlier, he's hamstrung a little by the time-constraints on his reviews.
Comparing him to some of the worst doesn't elevate Davis in my eyes.

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I like Davis' style presenting the show. He's one of a kind and I grew up as a kid who loved cars watching MotorWeek and listening to John Davis.

I wouldn't consider it a source of hard hitting reviews, they basically like everything.
Yes--exactly.

You almost have to read between the lines on the CT6 review, because it's SO heaped with praise, they must truly like it.
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I think with CT6 and Motorweek's review of it, you would use a bunch of reviews and sources for what you think about it. Yeah Davis and the MW crew do take it easy on criticism, but I like that. I got the impression they loved the BMW M4 too, so they could also be accused of pandering to BMW. Or Audi with its RS8.

I like to use a number of different sources to find out about a car, so really MW, or CR and JD Power could form a sort of basis but also Edmunds and maybe what local Autotrader owners think too.

It's not so much the reviewers, but what Cadillac's been doing over the years that seems to turn buyers away and looking for other options. Reliability issues stop potential Lexus buyers from looking at this brand, cheaper materials and the Art and Science styling keep German car buyers away. And on it goes.
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Originally Posted by LexBob2
It seems when MW doesn't like something about a car they'll mention it, almost casually,and move on. They don't beat it to death.
unlike jeremy clarkson.

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One thing he isn't is a fake. When you meet him and talk one on one, he is honest and gets right to the point. He is also not stuffy like some guys in the auto press.
he may well be great in person and different from how he is on the show, but on the show he has a "showman's" delivery, developed obviously over decades. while the words may come over as succinct (obviously for time), his style is just very dated and more like a radio DJ.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna

he may well be great in person and different from how he is on the show, but on the show he has a "showman's" delivery, developed obviously over decades. while the words may come over as succinct (obviously for time), his style is just very dated and more like a radio DJ.
I think its the format of the show that's dated, it hasn't really changed in 35 years. That being said, I'm sure John Davis is now at the executive producer level, so if he wanted to shake things up a bit, he definetly could. But at the same time, I don't know his budget, I'm sure its tiny compared to something like Top Gear USA(not even going to mention Top Gear UK, which was probably one of the most expensive shows on TV), so keeping that same simple format might be the best thing, since they can't afford to do anything else.

Also I've noticed that he isn't too harsh on his criticisms, probably because if you completely slam a manufacturer's car, they won't give you any in the future to test. Although if you watch John Davis a bit, you can read between the lines and kind of figure out if he likes a car or not. "Best Cadillac yet, but just a few details away from Europe's best" kind of means, yes its a competitive entry, but there are better options out there, but then again, you might personally like the Cadillac for one reason or another.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
unlike jeremy clarkson. he may well be great in person and different from how he is on the show, but on the show he has a "showman's" delivery, developed obviously over decades. while the words may come over as succinct (obviously for time), his style is just very dated and more like a radio DJ.
But that's his style, to me it's part and parcel with the style and tone of the show.
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Default 2016 Cadillac CT6 First Drive

The Next Chapter For Cadillac


Cadillac moved to New York, renamed its cars and crossovers, and made cutting-edge technology one of its pillars. It's fighting hard to attract new customers and kill its outdated reputation as an old-man car brand in the United States. Change happens slowly, and then sometimes, all at once. Enter the 2016 Cadillac CT6.

This is Cadillac's range-topping sedan. It's almost as long as the Mercedes S-Class and BMW 7 Series, yet in some configurations, it's lighter than their smaller siblings, the E-Class and 5 Series. The CT6 is a rolling showcase of General Motors' latest and best technologies, with potential breakthrough features like Super Cruise semi-autonomous driving waiting in the wings.

It comes in a wide variety of flavors. The CT6 starts as low as $54,490 with a four-cylinder engine and rear-wheel drive, which is the car that Cadillac hopes will be cross-shopped with the mid-tier Germans. The top-end CT6 Platinum with all-wheel drive and the 404-horsepower V6 begins at $84,460, and it could make S-Class and 7 Series buyers rethink American luxury.

Put simply, the CT6 means everything to Cadillac, but it will mean different things to its customers. It can be the executive chauffeur with all the backseat accouterments. Or it can be the massive yet somehow kinda sporty and nimble rear-wheel-drive sedan that weighs only 3,657 pounds. We tried both versions and came away impressed with both the strategy and the execution.


It's a little strange to think that Cadillac doesn't offer a V8 in its biggest sedan.

Taking the wheel on a sunny, cool day in rural San Diego County, we wonder if a 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine has what it takes to really move this giant. Our concerns quickly dissipate – this engine is also under the hood of the Chevy Camaro, and its 265 hp and 295 pound-feet of torque are more than up for the task. The big sedan handles curvy mountain roads adeptly. There's not a lot of roll for a car this size, even when we're aggressively whipping through tight turns. This poise comes from the CT6's rigid, lightweight aluminum and steel structure called Omega. We switch through the driving modes but settle on sport for the dash to the lunch spot. The steering is surprisingly tight and the brakes have strong response with little pedal travel.

After a quick bite in an old mining town called Julian, we take off in the spotlight CT6, the Platinum trim, powered by the 3.0-liter twin-turbo V6. It's an enjoyable car to stretch out on the highway. There's a growl when you lay on throttle and take off with aggression. The quad exhaust pipes give this car a sinister sound, but it's not uncouth. All CT6s come with an eight-speed automatic transmission, which is smooth and well-calibrated. On the highway, we grab the paddle shifters, drop down a couple gears, and pick off slower traffic for fun. The potent V6 is competitive though outgunned by twin-turbo V8s in the BMW 750i (445 hp) and the Mercedes S550 (449 hp). This is a good example of where the CT6 is just short of the Germans' top-end models, and it's a little strange to think that Cadillac doesn't offer a V8 in its biggest sedan.


There's no leather-like trim or wood reproductions here. It's all real.

Inside, the CT6 is serene and sophisticated. Conversation is easy, and the outside world is largely kept at bay. Cadillac designers are proud that all of the materials are authentic. There's no leather-like trim or wood reproductions here. It's all real. Our Platinum tester festooned in a color combo called "very light cashmere with ample sugar" is as syrupy as it sounds. It's basically a gorgeous layout of wood and tan broken up by the 10.2-inch Cue touchscreen in the middle. Cue used to be the centerpiece in Cadillacs, but now it's just the tip of the car's technological iceberg.

The clever Rear Camera Mirror helps us know when another CT6 creeps up on our bumper in a parking lot. A normal mirror wouldn't catch that, and the wide angle offers an early warning of a child approaching on the sidewalk. This feature uses a high definition camera to stream video through the rear view mirror. Because it's a camera filming the car's wake, we don't see pillars or passengers that would normally obscure a traditional rear view mirror. On the highway, we toggle between the mirror and the video version (using what was the tilt switch). We love the clear stream of cars approaching, but sometimes it's hard to tell how close they get. We need to try this with people in the backseat and for a more extended period of time, but our initial impressions are favorable.


BMW and Mercedes are starting to get more expressive, but Caddy still has the most angles, chrome, and fancy lights.

Speaking of the backseat, we rode around in several loaded CT6s with the optional 10-inch screens that use Chromecast. The extended comfort seats were quite nice, and the massage feature (with the seat heaters up) was cathartic after a long flight to the West Coast.

The CT6 is so loaded with clever features we couldn't try them all thoroughly. The Bose Panaray sound system has 34 speakers and puts out a sound that's enveloping, though we usually kept the volume down so as to not miss turns and get lost. That did happen, and the Active Rear Steer helped us pull a tight u-turn. It makes the CT6 handle like a much smaller car and would be great for parking lots. Other notable elements, like the Enhanced Night Vision offer a Predator-like experience for tracking humans and animals, though our time behind the wheel was entirely during daylight hours. Then there's Super Cruise, which is GM's foray into semi-autonomous driving. It's been delayed, and is expected for 2017.


This is the start of Cadillac's next chapter, and it's a winner.

As tech-savvy as the CT6 is, design is still its calling card. BMW and Mercedes are starting to get more expressive, but Caddy still has the most angles, chrome, and fancy lights. The LED lights sparkle and look piercing on the road. They flank a wide grille that fronts a long hood. This car gets attention. There were a lot of police on patrol the day of our drive. They took note of the CT6. And it wasn't just because there were a bunch of 'em blasting around their otherwise quiet country roads.

The CT6 is unavoidable, not just for its looks and technology, but because GM is spending billions to re-launch Cadillac as a luxury player. For that to gain traction, this sedan must be the business. All of Cadillac's cars posted sales declines in 2015, though they were offset by gains from the ancient SRX crossover and Escalade SUV. The CT6 has to break this slump, industry trends be damned. It's the most important car the brand has made in years and its biggest step forward since Caddy began producing powerful, athletic sedans that could go toe-to-toe with the Germans on the Nürburgring. Cadillac needs a car that will define the brand as it moves forward. It has to win. This is the start of Cadillac's next chapter, and it's a winner.

Engine- Turbo 2.0L I4
Power- 265 HP / 295 LB-FT
Transmission- 8-Speed Automatic
Drivetrain- Rear-Wheel Drive
Engine Placement- Front
Curb Weight- 3,657 LBS
Seating- 2+3
MPG- 22 City / 31 HWY
Base Price- $54,490
As Tested Price- $60,585
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/26/2...-review-video/
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Default Cadillac CT6 Launching In Japan, Priced At Nearly $100k

If you live in Japan and want a full-size luxury sedan, your options have just been expanded with the introduction of the Cadillac CT6.

The American luxury sedan is set to reach showrooms across the Pacific the beginning of next month. But before it does, the CT6 will be on display on the first floor in the Yurakucho Hankyu Men's department store in Tokyo. The special exhibit will allow members of the public and potential customers to see the car in person and listen to the 34-speaker Bose audio system.

In Japan, the CT6 will carry a tax-in price tag of ¥9,980,000. That works out to nearly $100,000 at current exchange rates, or nearly double the base price in the United States.

By comparison, the Lexus LS starts at ¥8,548,000 ($84k) in base, rear-drive LS460 spec, but tops out at ¥15,954,000 ($157k) for the top-of-the-line LS600hL with the Executive package, while Mercedes charges ¥9,980,000 $98k) for the S300h - the same as the Cadillac – with prices escalating past ¥22,220,000 ($218k) for the Maybach S550, and a whopping ¥32,970,000 ($325k) for the AMG S65.
http://www.carscoops.com/2016/09/cad...an-priced.html
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that autoblog review is very positive. way to go cadillac. love all the tech in it. a v8 would be nice but the engines seem very good judging from reviews.

i don't find the steering wheel or shifter to be attractive, but overall it's pretty incredible.
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