Cadillac XT5 (SRX Successor)
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This is an old argument...but again you have two members in this thread that directly compared the GC and the RX, JDR76 and myself. He selected the RX, I selected the GC. Whether the brand is as prestigious or not, the vehicles ARE competitors.
. Not classy at all.The current rx is also not even close to as luxurious as my jgc summit. Obviously though lexus is viewed as a luxury brand whereas jeep is more the rugged outdoorsy brand.
About this new ct5, jgc, rx, etc.,i'm the target market!
. I like 5 seat suv's and don't need or want a third row. I've had an rx, a ford explorer (prev. Gen, without third row), and now have the jgc. I considered another rx (neighbor has a '14 i've driven some and overall it's nice but didn't wow me and isn't as quiet as my jgc). I almost got a highlander but too many compromises for my wants in the end (doesn't even have led tail lights or offer hid's or front parking sensors on any trim for examples). I also looked at gx, q5, x3, qx60, mdx, enclave, etc.So people do cross shop!
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The RX does not have a 3rd row and that is deliberate, wheras the MDX having a 3rd row is essential. Eventually the Lexus lineup will offer a 3 row RX type SUV but it will be named something else. The success of the RX is because does what it does the same way since inception.
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I think this cuts both ways. I think lower to mid-range Jeep models compare with the 4Runner, but if you check all the boxes on the GC, you are way beyond 4Runner territory, and into lux brand comparisons. Given all the engine and option choices on the GC, it's got a pretty wide price range, the high end of which compares to lux brands.
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Sounds to me like what you are saying is that, because the RX was originally designed in the late 1990s to have only two rows, that alone defines the RX nameplate, and the designers can't ever change that or add another row. I agree that the RX has been extremely successful over the years with two rows, but IMO that doesn't prevent a third row from being offered as an option, even under the RX badge. Using that philosophy, Honda would have never added a V6 option to the also-extremely-popular Accord, arguing that it was so popular as a four that a V6 version wasn't necessary.
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Cadillac XT5 (SRX Successor)
Lexus needs a three row crossover, whether it's an RX or not, and it needs it in the RX's price class. Doesn't make sense to me to create another model to fill that need in the same price space.
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Given the RAV-4's sales figures, it's hard to argue that anything on it is useless.
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The RX works becuase it is clearly defined a 2 row SUV, adding a third row will make it larger, heavier and more thirsty. That is what I am saying. Some vehicles like the 4Runner added the optional 3 row, and some like the Highlander made it standard. Same thing with the Pathfinder. With Lexus RX, I say leave it alone, no need to add it. The Rav4 has it as its pretty much useless, that is what will happen if they add it to the RX.
imo the rx is still too short for a 3rd row. i believe they'd need to add 4-5 inches to make it decent. and if they put that in the wheelbase i think the overall vehicle proportions would look a lot better.
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Agree, current proportions and roofline would not support a 3rd row. They'd need to stretch it out. And the success of the NX lends support to the idea that the RX can grow to be a 3 row.
Cadillac XT5 Initiates New Series of Cadillac Luxury Crossovers
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Cadillac XT5 Initiates New Series of Cadillac Luxury Crossovers
LIGHTWEIGHT CONSTRUCTION ELEVATES EFFICIENCY AND DRIVING PERFORMANCE
ALL-NEW DESIGN AND STRUCTURE INCREASES INTERIOR SPACE WITHOUT ADDING BULK
NEW V6 ENGINE AND ADVANCED ALL-WHEEL DRIVE
NEW TECH INCLUDES REAR CAMERA MIRROR, APPLE
CARPLAY & ANDROID AUTO COMPATIBILITY, NEW CUE SYSTEM
Cadillac today unveiled the first-ever 2017 Crossover Touring 5 (XT5,) a comprehensively upgraded luxury crossover and the cornerstone of a new series of crossovers in the brand's ongoing expansion. The first-ever XT5 premieres this month at the Dubai and Los Angeles auto shows and begins production in the U.S. and China in spring 2016.
The new series of Cadillac crossovers bearing the "XT" designation is a key aspect of the brand's product-driven global growth plan.
"The all-new XT5 not only enters the most popular segment in the worldwide luxury auto market, it is the first of four new crossovers from Cadillac," said Cadillac President Johan de Nysschen. "It's pivotal to our ongoing growth, which is why we've developed XT5 from the inside out to provide customers more space, more technology, more luxury and more efficiency."
The new luxury crossover joins Cadillac's lineup immediately following the new range-topping CT6 Sedan, as the brand enters a new phase of product growth. The XT5 is the next chapter in elevating the Cadillac brand: it is bold, distinctive, sophisticated with superb driving dynamics. This new crossover perfectly reflects Cadillac's positioning in the luxury automotive marketplace, de Nysschen said.
Chassis -- Lightweight, efficient package enables more space
The Cadillac XT5 is completely new, residing on a unique chassis and structure.
Cadillac's new crossover embodies the company's expertise for lightweight and agile driving dynamics. The new XT5 is 278 pounds (126 kg) lighter than the current SRX , and 100 pounds (45 kg) lighter than the Audi Q5 – despite the Cadillac being seven inches longer. The new XT5 is more than 650 pounds (295 kg) lighter than the Mercedes-Benz GLE-Class, achieving this with no compromise to body rigidity and crash performance.
Rear-seat legroom is increased 3.2 in. (8.1 cm) in the XT5, compared to the SRX. The rear seat reclines and slides fore and aft, as well.
Interior Design -- New Cadillac interior design theme emphasizes space and craftsmanship
The XT5 brings a new level of sophistication to showcase Cadillac's evolving design language, recently seen on the upcoming CT6 Sedan. The XT5 has a strong visual presence with proportions that convey the driving experience and the lightweight construction underneath the surface. There is a lean, taut, liquid quality to the surfaces with flowing, uninterrupted lines separated by crisp edges.
"The XT5 has a great stance, with wheels further to the corners and overhangs reduced," said Andrew Smith, Cadillac executive director of global design. "Our team continues to evolve the design language of Cadillac."
The XT5's interior is based on a philosophy of clean, modern elegance and craftsmanship.
"We believe that luxury crossover customers particularly focus on interior design and materials," said Smith. "This design direction is predicated on modern craftsmanship and the artistic integration of technology."
Interior surfaces inside the XT5 are wider and more horizontal in orientation, emphasizing efficient use of space. Like all Cadillac models, the interior is assembled with cut-and-sewn wrapped panels, rather than molded surfaces typical of mainstream vehicles.
"Our focus for the interior was sophistication and simplicity, ensuring an economy of lines to reduce visual noise and clutter," Smith said. "A feeling of space is the ultimate luxury, so we sought to emphasize that. We also use a greater variety of authentic materials and palette of colors to deliver expressive interiors in all trim levels."
Powertrain -- Advanced powertrains add to efficiency and dynamics
In the US market, the 2017 Cadillac XT5 will be powered by the new 3.6- liter V6 engine which debuted earlier this year on the brand's ATS and CTS sport sedans and features on the CT6. This engine has been completely redesigned and features Active Fuel Management cylinder deactivation technology, which allows the engine to seamlessly and automatically switch to a fuel-saving 4-cylinder mode when the load conditions are low or moderate.
With an estimated peak output of 310-horsepower and 270 lbs-ft of torque, the new V6 utilizes variable valve timing for strong response and smooth power delivery. Cadillac's new Stop/Start technology automatically stop and start the engine when the vehicle is at rest in traffic stops, saving fuel and reducing emissions, while enhancing the quietness expected of a luxury vehicle.
In China, the XT5 will be offered with a standard 2.0-liter four cylinder turbocharged engine. Powerful, yet compact, the 2.0T also features Stop/Start technology.
A new 8-speed automatic transmission is standard for the XT5. The XT5 also debuts Electronic Precision Shift – the first electronically controlled transmission shifter for a Cadillac. Electronic Precision Shift reduces noise and vibration, and it allows the cabin space to be further utilized with an innovative storage space beneath the center console.
A new advanced "twin clutch" all-wheel drive system will be optional. This AWD system continuously and automatically delivers excellent traction across a variety of conditions. While engineered specifically for strong performance in wet, snowy or icy conditions, it also provides enhanced stability in dry weather.
Technology -- Advanced technology systems add luxury, safety
The first-ever XT5 includes Cadillac's latest production systems in the areas of connectivity and safety.
Cadillac's patented new industry-leading Rear Camera Mirror system debuts on the CT6 sedan and the XT5. The system enhances the driver's rear vision by 300 percent, using a video display applied over the conventional inside rearview mirror. A high dynamic range camera records images behind the car in a much wider, streams the image to video processing software which "removes" obstacles such as the roof, rear pillars and rear seat passengers, projecting an unobstructed view to an LCD display.
LIGHTWEIGHT CONSTRUCTION ELEVATES EFFICIENCY AND DRIVING PERFORMANCE
ALL-NEW DESIGN AND STRUCTURE INCREASES INTERIOR SPACE WITHOUT ADDING BULK
NEW V6 ENGINE AND ADVANCED ALL-WHEEL DRIVE
NEW TECH INCLUDES REAR CAMERA MIRROR, APPLE
CARPLAY & ANDROID AUTO COMPATIBILITY, NEW CUE SYSTEM
Cadillac today unveiled the first-ever 2017 Crossover Touring 5 (XT5,) a comprehensively upgraded luxury crossover and the cornerstone of a new series of crossovers in the brand's ongoing expansion. The first-ever XT5 premieres this month at the Dubai and Los Angeles auto shows and begins production in the U.S. and China in spring 2016.
The new series of Cadillac crossovers bearing the "XT" designation is a key aspect of the brand's product-driven global growth plan.
"The all-new XT5 not only enters the most popular segment in the worldwide luxury auto market, it is the first of four new crossovers from Cadillac," said Cadillac President Johan de Nysschen. "It's pivotal to our ongoing growth, which is why we've developed XT5 from the inside out to provide customers more space, more technology, more luxury and more efficiency."
The new luxury crossover joins Cadillac's lineup immediately following the new range-topping CT6 Sedan, as the brand enters a new phase of product growth. The XT5 is the next chapter in elevating the Cadillac brand: it is bold, distinctive, sophisticated with superb driving dynamics. This new crossover perfectly reflects Cadillac's positioning in the luxury automotive marketplace, de Nysschen said.
Chassis -- Lightweight, efficient package enables more space
The Cadillac XT5 is completely new, residing on a unique chassis and structure.
Cadillac's new crossover embodies the company's expertise for lightweight and agile driving dynamics. The new XT5 is 278 pounds (126 kg) lighter than the current SRX , and 100 pounds (45 kg) lighter than the Audi Q5 – despite the Cadillac being seven inches longer. The new XT5 is more than 650 pounds (295 kg) lighter than the Mercedes-Benz GLE-Class, achieving this with no compromise to body rigidity and crash performance.
Rear-seat legroom is increased 3.2 in. (8.1 cm) in the XT5, compared to the SRX. The rear seat reclines and slides fore and aft, as well.
Interior Design -- New Cadillac interior design theme emphasizes space and craftsmanship
The XT5 brings a new level of sophistication to showcase Cadillac's evolving design language, recently seen on the upcoming CT6 Sedan. The XT5 has a strong visual presence with proportions that convey the driving experience and the lightweight construction underneath the surface. There is a lean, taut, liquid quality to the surfaces with flowing, uninterrupted lines separated by crisp edges.
"The XT5 has a great stance, with wheels further to the corners and overhangs reduced," said Andrew Smith, Cadillac executive director of global design. "Our team continues to evolve the design language of Cadillac."
The XT5's interior is based on a philosophy of clean, modern elegance and craftsmanship.
"We believe that luxury crossover customers particularly focus on interior design and materials," said Smith. "This design direction is predicated on modern craftsmanship and the artistic integration of technology."
Interior surfaces inside the XT5 are wider and more horizontal in orientation, emphasizing efficient use of space. Like all Cadillac models, the interior is assembled with cut-and-sewn wrapped panels, rather than molded surfaces typical of mainstream vehicles.
"Our focus for the interior was sophistication and simplicity, ensuring an economy of lines to reduce visual noise and clutter," Smith said. "A feeling of space is the ultimate luxury, so we sought to emphasize that. We also use a greater variety of authentic materials and palette of colors to deliver expressive interiors in all trim levels."
Powertrain -- Advanced powertrains add to efficiency and dynamics
In the US market, the 2017 Cadillac XT5 will be powered by the new 3.6- liter V6 engine which debuted earlier this year on the brand's ATS and CTS sport sedans and features on the CT6. This engine has been completely redesigned and features Active Fuel Management cylinder deactivation technology, which allows the engine to seamlessly and automatically switch to a fuel-saving 4-cylinder mode when the load conditions are low or moderate.
With an estimated peak output of 310-horsepower and 270 lbs-ft of torque, the new V6 utilizes variable valve timing for strong response and smooth power delivery. Cadillac's new Stop/Start technology automatically stop and start the engine when the vehicle is at rest in traffic stops, saving fuel and reducing emissions, while enhancing the quietness expected of a luxury vehicle.
In China, the XT5 will be offered with a standard 2.0-liter four cylinder turbocharged engine. Powerful, yet compact, the 2.0T also features Stop/Start technology.
A new 8-speed automatic transmission is standard for the XT5. The XT5 also debuts Electronic Precision Shift – the first electronically controlled transmission shifter for a Cadillac. Electronic Precision Shift reduces noise and vibration, and it allows the cabin space to be further utilized with an innovative storage space beneath the center console.
A new advanced "twin clutch" all-wheel drive system will be optional. This AWD system continuously and automatically delivers excellent traction across a variety of conditions. While engineered specifically for strong performance in wet, snowy or icy conditions, it also provides enhanced stability in dry weather.
Technology -- Advanced technology systems add luxury, safety
The first-ever XT5 includes Cadillac's latest production systems in the areas of connectivity and safety.
Cadillac's patented new industry-leading Rear Camera Mirror system debuts on the CT6 sedan and the XT5. The system enhances the driver's rear vision by 300 percent, using a video display applied over the conventional inside rearview mirror. A high dynamic range camera records images behind the car in a much wider, streams the image to video processing software which "removes" obstacles such as the roof, rear pillars and rear seat passengers, projecting an unobstructed view to an LCD display.
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I do too. It's the ultimate wedge shape, when wedges are kind of falling out of flavor. Very smooth, slippery, and aero looking. Dash looks decent too. Not saying this as a negative to Cadillac, but this should be what Chevy offers for their SUV's. Their entire line-up needs to enter into a modern realm, and this body has it.
I didn't read the whole press thing, but does it offer some sort of manual shifting capability? Hopefully not just that lame GM toggle switch on the shifter.
I didn't read the whole press thing, but does it offer some sort of manual shifting capability? Hopefully not just that lame GM toggle switch on the shifter.