View Poll Results: What should the next LS go after?
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Next Lexus LS (2018 model)
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No, not 100% false at all. People are willing to pay more for the AMG V8TT and AMG V12TT versions on your dad's S-class platform.
I am not saying that smooth and quiet is not important, it is. Its just that the sport idea and overall driving experience of sport is now at the front of this class.
I am not saying that smooth and quiet is not important, it is. Its just that the sport idea and overall driving experience of sport is now at the front of this class.
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The game changer is that this new LS is going to allow Lexus to charge close to a $100k starting price .
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I would have preferred a TTV8...what I've come around to is the fact that it doesn't make sense to offer the 5.0 V8 they have in this car as an optional engine, because it would actually have lesser performance than the basic engine. They would have had to develop a new V8 or downgrade the TTV6, neither of which fit into their plans.
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
People are willing to pay more for the AMG V8TT and AMG V12TT on your dad's S-class platform.
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No, not 100% false at all. People are willing to pay more for the AMG V8TT and AMG V12TT versions on your dad's S-class platform.
I am not saying that smooth and quiet is not important, it is. Its just that the sport idea and overall driving experience of sport is now at the front of this class.
I am not saying that smooth and quiet is not important, it is. Its just that the sport idea and overall driving experience of sport is now at the front of this class.
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I was strongly opposed to it...but I am warming up to the idea...at least enough to drive one and see what they've done with it. Pricing to me will be crucial.
I would have preferred a TTV8...what I've come around to is the fact that it doesn't make sense to offer the 5.0 V8 they have in this car as an optional engine, because it would actually have lesser performance than the basic engine. They would have had to develop a new V8 or downgrade the TTV6, neither of which fit into their plans.
I would have preferred a TTV8...what I've come around to is the fact that it doesn't make sense to offer the 5.0 V8 they have in this car as an optional engine, because it would actually have lesser performance than the basic engine. They would have had to develop a new V8 or downgrade the TTV6, neither of which fit into their plans.
as for me, i'm having difficulty accepting the rear 3/4 and profile views of the car. it's disappointing.
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Yes that is exactly what I said. The smooth and quiet idea of Lexus is an outdated concept. Why else would Lexus tune the LC to sound good? Smooth and quiet are important, its expected it comes with every luxury car. But where the big money is with performance. Like I said, Lexus is pumping both artificial and real engine sound into the vehicles cabins. Need I say more?
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Yes that is exactly what I said. The smooth and quiet idea of Lexus is an outdated concept. Why else would Lexus tune the LC to sound good? Smooth and quiet are important, its expected it comes with every luxury car. But where the big money is with performance. Like I said, Lexus is pumping both artificial and real engine sound into the vehicles cabins. Need I say more?
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Originally Posted by davyjordi
i think that you warming to the idea is what is going to occur with a number of people (the majority?) who were initially disappointed with the lack of a V8 option.
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No I am not. The idea of Lexus LS400, LS430, LS460 from 2007 is completely different than it is today. There are some hallmarks of that era that are present. But now a lower center of gravity (to promote driving sport), published 0-60 times, high HP ratings, Sport and Sport + modes, as well as artificial sound or perhaps real (depending on what Lexus model you have) is what Lexus is going for. Add in a much more aggressive styling component and you have a Lexus LS that is unlike the simple tomb like experience of yesteryear
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No I am not. The idea of Lexus LS400, LS430, LS460 from 2007 is completely different than it is today. There are some hallmarks of that era that are present. But now a lower center of gravity (to promote driving sport), published 0-60 times, high HP ratings, Sport and Sport + modes, as well as artificial sound or perhaps real (depending on what Lexus model you have) is what Lexus is going for. Add in a much more aggressive styling component and you have a Lexus LS that is unlike the simple tomb like experience of yesteryear
As far as power and performance though, Lexus absolutely has touted performance of the LS for a long time. I remember shopping for the LS400 in 1998, its 0-60 time were absolutely marketed, and it was one of the quickest cars in its segment.
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Noone would choose a V6TT over a NA V8 for same $$$.
There is no chance any V6 is as smooth as a V8. Inline 6 maybe.
If Lexus felt that people dont care, or that the V6 is better than why is the LC500 come with a V8??
Also i never saw any brand use 500 or whatever # and have it refer to 2 different powertrains especially since both are brand new models.
Lexus did this knowingly that people would assume that LS500 has V8 as well.
In this class of car V8 has more significance than HP imo.
Cadillac made same mistake with CT6.
Its just after 10-11 years, the best Lexus has was a V6 TT with 415hp. Thats just so underwhelming.
Now if they said we are downsizing and go hybrid only maybe i can get that.
Bring a V6 TT plus electric motors for over 500hp and over 35mpg.
That would a statement.....but a TT V6 is nothing special, AlfaRomeo, Maserati, Panamera all have had one pushing it similar #s.
There is no chance any V6 is as smooth as a V8. Inline 6 maybe.
If Lexus felt that people dont care, or that the V6 is better than why is the LC500 come with a V8??
Also i never saw any brand use 500 or whatever # and have it refer to 2 different powertrains especially since both are brand new models.
Lexus did this knowingly that people would assume that LS500 has V8 as well.
In this class of car V8 has more significance than HP imo.
Cadillac made same mistake with CT6.
Its just after 10-11 years, the best Lexus has was a V6 TT with 415hp. Thats just so underwhelming.
Now if they said we are downsizing and go hybrid only maybe i can get that.
Bring a V6 TT plus electric motors for over 500hp and over 35mpg.
That would a statement.....but a TT V6 is nothing special, AlfaRomeo, Maserati, Panamera all have had one pushing it similar #s.
If there keeping the same general pricing, thats a steal in pricing. 740i is 82ish base sticker and thats with less power. The engine is better output wise compared to the outgoing, probably will net emissions and mpg credit (not that its important).
Probably leaves the door for an hybrid version, and an F spec if they choose to
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Yes that is exactly what I said. The smooth and quiet idea of Lexus is an outdated concept. Why else would Lexus tune the LC to sound good? Smooth and quiet are important, its expected it comes with every luxury car. But where the big money is with performance. Like I said, Lexus is pumping both artificial and real engine sound into the vehicles cabins. Need I say more?
Lexus tuned the LS exhaust to convey a more authoritative tone, yet also designed the cabin to ensure utterly quiet cruising. New sound suppression methods further hush the environment compared to previous LS models. Active Noise Control quiets the cabin even more by detecting the sound of the engine coming into the vehicle and cancelling certain frequencies using antiphase sound from the audio speakers.
On a separate note, I am perplexed by Lexus' decision (in order to preserve headroom) to debut a moonroof in the LS that slides outside on top of the roof. I have always considered such a moonroof a mark of a lesser car and not befitting a flagship. Hopefully, it won't be too noisy and will be as durable as the previous version (cracking liner/gasket notwithstanding).
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In case you missed it, the LS500 will have active noise cancellation systems. Following text taken from netcarshowdotcom
Lexus tuned the LS exhaust to convey a more authoritative tone, yet also designed the cabin to ensure utterly quiet cruising. New sound suppression methods further hush the environment compared to previous LS models. Active Noise Control quiets the cabin even more by detecting the sound of the engine coming into the vehicle and cancelling certain frequencies using antiphase sound from the audio speakers.
On a separate note, I am perplexed by Lexus' decision (in order to preserve headroom) to debut a moonroof in the LS that slides outside on top of the roof. I have always considered such a moonroof a mark of a lesser car and not befitting a flagship. Hopefully, it won't be too noisy and will be as durable as the previous version (cracking liner/gasket notwithstanding).
Lexus tuned the LS exhaust to convey a more authoritative tone, yet also designed the cabin to ensure utterly quiet cruising. New sound suppression methods further hush the environment compared to previous LS models. Active Noise Control quiets the cabin even more by detecting the sound of the engine coming into the vehicle and cancelling certain frequencies using antiphase sound from the audio speakers.
On a separate note, I am perplexed by Lexus' decision (in order to preserve headroom) to debut a moonroof in the LS that slides outside on top of the roof. I have always considered such a moonroof a mark of a lesser car and not befitting a flagship. Hopefully, it won't be too noisy and will be as durable as the previous version (cracking liner/gasket notwithstanding).
As for the roof, I am assuming its for a sport intentions. Just gives that look. Also, the LS will have an available panoramic roof option according to one of the videos I watch.