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Old 05-29-14, 03:05 PM
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Default Quick Spin: 2014 Infiniti QX60 Hybrid


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Engine: SC 2.5L I4 + 15-kW Motor
Power: 250 HP / 243 LB-FT
Transmission: CVT
0-60 Time: 8.5 Seconds (est.)
Drivetrain: All-Wheel Drive
Curb Weight: 4,625 LBS
Seating: 2+3+2
Cargo: 76.5 CU-FT (max)
MPG: 25 City / 28 HWY
Base Price: $46,500
As-Tested Price: $60,780

Infiniti launched its seven-passenger JX crossover for the 2013 model year with the automaker's familiar 3.5-liter V6 as standard equipment. For 2014, the model was renamed the QX60, and a new variant packing a gasoline-electric hybrid powertrain joined the lineup. (For those interested in the family lineage, the new arrival is a mechanical twin to the Nissan Pathfinder Hybrid, which we took for a Quick Spin last year).

Hidden beneath the hood of the QX60 Hybrid is a supercharged, 2.5-liter inline four-cylinder engine, rated at 230 horsepower and 243 pound-feet of torque. The combustion engine is supplemented by a 15-kilowatt electric motor, fed by a small lithium-ion battery back (hidden under the rear cargo floor), which adds 20 hp and 29 lb-ft of torque to the mix. Added up, Infiniti rates the total system power at 250 hp and 243 lb-ft – numbers that fall just short of its combustion sibling (the 3.5-liter V6 in the QX60 is rated at 265 horsepower and 248 pound-feet of torque). The only gearbox is a continuously variable transmission that drives either the front or all four wheels, depending on what the buyer specs.

The 2014 QX60 Hybrid AWD starts at $46,500 (the green model commands a $3,000 premium over the gas-only model). A long list of factory options such as Roof Rails ($495), Theater package ($1,700), Deluxe Technology package ($6,050), illuminated kick plates ($440) and a Hybrid Premium package ($4,600) bumped our as-tested price to a healthy $60,780, including $995 for destination.

Driving Notes
  • Infiniti lists the AWD Hybrid model's curb weight as 4,625 pounds, but it feels even more substantial from behind the wheel. Even with all-wheel drive, the QX60 drives like a front-wheel-drive crossover (nearly all of the power is routed forward unless slip is detected). The steering is light, with little communication to the driver, and the suspension is predictably soft. Gentle throttle applications from a stand-still deliver lethargic acceleration, with frustrating lag off the line. When pulling into traffic, a heavy foot is required to motivate both the engine and assist motor to work simultaneously. Once under power, the four-cylinder is buzzy with some supercharger whine, traits unbecoming of a luxury CUV. The smooth CVT doesn't help, as it holds the powertrain drone at a constant pitch as the crossover slowly picks up speed. Braking, with the hybrid's regenerative system, was not smooth and the brake pedal did not feel linear in operation.
  • Luxury is something Infiniti does consistently well, and the cabin of the QX60 doesn't disappoint. The interior is beautifully appointed, with quality upholstery and rich woods. Front-seat passengers will find their accommodations very inviting, with comfortable eight- and six-way power-operated heated/cooled chairs. Second-row occupants are also well pampered, with heated outboard cushions, power outlets, climate-control vents and sliding seats (5.5 inches of fore/aft travel). Unfortunately, tall riders in the middle seats will find their legs in an awkward position (knees raised, due to low bottom cushions) and no toe room under the driver and front passenger seats. The third row is easy to access, with a child-seat-friendly pass-through (no need to unbuckle it), but only small children will find that seating area comfortable – it is simply too tight for adults.
  • This particular test car was equipped with a lengthy suite of active safety equipment, including Intelligent Brake Assist, Forward Collision Warning, Lane Departure Warning, Backup Collision Intervention, Distance Control Assist and Lane Departure Prevention. Most are toggled on/off with a button on the steering wheel or on the dashboard. When enabled, the systems were extremely effective – yet almost too watchful as the proactive computers slowed the vehicle with an overabundance of caution. While we are indifferent on the hand-slapping safety nannies, kudos goes to the full-speed range Intelligent Cruise Control that worked very well in the Los Angeles traffic, despite the inconsistent way local Angelinos drive.
  • Fuel economy should be a hybrid strength, but the QX60 apparently didn't get the memo. The combustion engine seemed to be working very hard and run continuously – the small electric motor doesn't have enough power to move the heavy crossover on its own. Around town, our fuel economy averaged slightly less than 18 mpg, which is significantly less than the EPA's rating of 25 mpg. On the highway, we squeezed out slightly more than 27 mpg, which is slightly less than the EPA's rating of 28 mpg. Overall, we never broke into the 20s, which leaves us scratching our head at the EPA's combined rated of 26 mpg, considering we were not driving the crossover aggressively. (Your mileage may vary, of course.)
  • After a week with the QX60 Hybrid, we were left disenchanted. All of the blame falls squarely on the hybrid system, which costs more up front and handicaps the driving dynamics while doing effectively nothing to improve fuel economy. All of that expensive (and heavy) technology for no apparent benefit. The standard QX60 AWD with the 3.5-liter V6 (rated 19 mpg city, 25 mpg highway) is a much wiser choice for those seeking a seven-passenger luxury crossover with an Infiniti logo on its nose.

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60k for what!?! Insanity. Wow
 
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Not that I'm agreeing with the QX60 Hybrid but just to play devils advocate, one might say the same thing about the GS450h or CTS Vsport, $70K for what!?!

As it stands the RX450h soundly beats this QX60 Hybrid in most areas save for number of passengers I reckon lol
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But those are very much worth the price
 
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Not that I'm agreeing with the QX60 Hybrid but just to play devils advocate, one might say the same thing about the GS450h or CTS Vsport, $70K for what!?!

As it stands the RX450h soundly beats this QX60 Hybrid in most areas save for number of passengers I reckon lol
One must remember, that while the RX450h is a very sound proposition and very proven in its class, that the QX60 still does as you already stated, seat more passengers. It also comes out priced equal to or if not much less than a comparable RX450h AWD. The next generation RX may soon correct that (seating capacity), something you'll see before the rest of us in a few months.

I believe some of the randomly critical comments are what I referred to in another thread. I am not sure how the as-equipped MSRP of a QX60 Hybrid isn't worthy of a simple USD $60k. USD $70k is another story, which I've not seen nor heard of such an example in the US. And I'm actually quite more familiar with the Lexus, than the Infiniti QX60.
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Originally Posted by cmk1
One must remember, that while the RX450h is a very sound proposition and very proven in its class, that the QX60 still does as you already stated, seat more passengers. It also comes out priced equal to or if not much less than a comparable RX450h AWD. The next generation RX may soon correct that (seating capacity), something you'll see before the rest of us in a few months.

I believe some of the randomly critical comments are what I referred to in another thread. I am not sure how the as-equipped MSRP of a QX60 Hybrid isn't worthy of a simple USD $60k. USD $70k is another story, which I've not seen nor heard of such an example in the US. And I'm actually quite more familiar with the Lexus, than the Infiniti QX60.
I've driven two very extensively (as in for multiple days) one was fully loaded. I'm unsure how this vehicle with lowest hp in class with very questionable materials is worth 50k let alone 60k. The hybrid here barely offers any improvements compared to the RX 350 to RX 450h. What impressed me most about the JX was the rear 3rd row was quite spacious and usable for a vehicle this size (I find the new Higlander 3rd row a joke for adults).

That said consumers surely have no issue with it since it sells very well but its would not be the first time a vehicle is purchased that is quite average.
 
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The JX35 (QX60) is quite a nice vehicle. I was impressed with it when I reviewed it a couple of years ago, and found it, in many ways, to be the first "normal" Infiniti SUV in the American market in both looks and execution, though I questioned the use of a CVT in a large vehicle that carries that many people. Though some CVTs can now handle the torque of the typical large V6, putting 6-7 people inside and adding more than 1000 extra pounds just increases the stress on the CVT even more. Nissan already had to extend the warranties on some of the earlier CVTs because of a high failure rate.
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4,600+ lbs is enough for me to shy away from it. Good lord did they pack the doors with lead?
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Originally Posted by GSteg
4,600+ lbs is enough for me to shy away from it. Good lord did they pack the doors with lead?
Just lead acid batteries for hybrid system.

Im sure its not as terrible as lexfather makes it sound. But there aren't manny 7 seaters with efficient drive trains. I would buy this over a highlander hybrid.

The next thing that comes to mind is a gl350 and that starts 64k
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Originally Posted by GSteg
Good lord did they pack the doors with lead?
Actually, IMO, considering the lightness/flimsiness of the sheet metal on some of today's cars, they could actually USE some lead in the doors.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Actually, IMO, considering the lightness/flimsiness of the sheet metal on some of today's cars, they could actually USE some lead in the doors.
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Originally Posted by GSteg
4,600+ lbs is enough for me to shy away from it. Good lord did they pack the doors with lead?
It really doesn't seem out of line to me. A Highlander Hybrid is 4800 pounds and is smaller than this.
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Originally Posted by doge
Just lead acid batteries for hybrid system.

Im sure its not as terrible as lexfather makes it sound. But there aren't manny 7 seaters with efficient drive trains. I would buy this over a highlander hybrid.

The next thing that comes to mind is a gl350 and that starts 64k
Its not just me, read the article lol

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It really doesn't seem out of line to me. A Highlander Hybrid is 4800 pounds and is smaller than this.
Did many here miss Infiniti hybrid has a 2.5 I-4 and not a V-6 like the highlander? There must be a reason why they didn't use the hybrid power train in the Q50 hybrid but that surely would make a huge difference considering that V-6 hybrid nets 360hp.
 
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Originally Posted by LexFather
Did many here miss Infiniti hybrid has a 2.5 I-4 and not a V-6 like the highlander? There must be a reason why they didn't use the hybrid power train in the Q50 hybrid but that surely would make a huge difference considering that V-6 hybrid nets 360hp.
Did not miss that at all. I do not believe the 3.5 in the Highlander weighs 200 pounds more than the 2.5 in the Infiniti. Merely pointing out that an SUV this large weighing 4600 pounds seems pretty typical and not heavier than I would expect.
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Originally Posted by JDR76
Did not miss that at all. I do not believe the 3.5 in the Highlander weighs 200 pounds more than the 2.5 in the Infiniti. Merely pointing out that an SUV this large weighing 4600 pounds seems pretty typical and not heavier than I would expect.
Gotcha, thanks for clarifying for me.
 


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