Lex2InfiN

You're welcome. Glad I could help clear up your somewhat misleading post.

Ok. And I never said the IS/ES weren't "completely different". Maybe you should re-read my post again and comprehend what I wrote. I said there's nothing wrong with offering two entry level sedans as long as there is enough differences to differentiate between the two - and then I used the IS & ES as an example. Understand? As far as the Q50/G37 is concerned, the Q50 is obviously a step above the G37. Yes, of course it was initially supposed to be its replacement, but there's still people who prefer the looks and sportier nature of the G (clearly) and there's obviously room for both in their lineup. Could they improve on differentiating the two models? Sure. IMO, they should put a turbo 4 in the G and refresh the exterior the same way they are doing with the Q70 so its more in line with their current styling.

But to expand on your other comment, in the month of April:

Infiniti sold 4,151 RWD biased entry levels sedans (Q50 & G37 combined)
Lexus sold 3,790 RWD biased entry levels sedans (IS)

So you can make the argument that the G37 is cannibalizing some Q50 sales (could be), but at the end of the day Infiniti is still selling more entry level RWD biased sedans than Lexus.

spwolf

i doubt Infiniti is OK with their sales being the way they are... there is simply not much they could do about it right now.

LexFather

I assume you are joking? Are you really trying to sound like some authority here lol.

"Glad you can clear up"
"Comprehend what you wrote"
"Understand"

hahahahahahhahahahahha


I talk to many Infiniti dealers, they are not happy at all, the margins are razor thin and its already a very price sensitive customer. Did anyone expect the IS to outsell the Q50 multiple months? I sure didn't, the Q50 is their volume sedan ,the IS is not. Its hard to figure it out exactly without a sales target.

Lex2InfiN

nope.

On this subject, yes.

(ouch, that hurt)


The first part of your post is complete hearsay and I doubt its authenticity. And sales goals are great to track success internally, but means absolutely nothing in the real world. By the way, what were Lexus' sales goals for the HS again?

LexFather

So you act like some some authority, insult my intelligence, you have maybe 80 posts here, 78 about Infinitni and now insult the HS? You want to go that route? We said in the other thread don't go there, its bringing a slingshot to a gun battle.
G20
J30
Q45
QX4
I30
I35
yadda yadda

You cannot be serious at all. I think what you should do are say words like

"thanks"
"you are right"
"I see what you are saying"
"thanks for the insight"

Weird, but this is par the course in the sales thread. Probably a re-joiner.

FYI, the HS had a sales goal of I think 20 or 24k. I never hit it, clearly flopped in America but sells very well in Japan. My family had a loaded one, back in 2010 with features that the 2014 Q50 is just now bragging about It was a complete miss in the states and I guess Lexus is allowed 1 or 2 in 25 years compared to a 25 year miss.

Lex2InfiN

Not insulting your intelligence, but when you make blanket statements about a 4 year old model and using that as an example to compare to a model that's a year old, I'm going to step in and respond. Because it's an unfair comparison. The RLX is probably the biggest flop Acura has ever put out (outside of the ZDX of course). For you to insinuate that the Q70 (M) is similar because its current sales numbers are similar is a weak attempt at a comparison. In its 2nd year, the Q70 (M) was selling roughly 1100 units/month. The RLX in its 2nd year is selling roughly 350-400 units/month. That's a direct comparison. Nuff said.

I didn't insult the HS, simply making a point that sales goals mean nothing in the real world. Lexus had lofty sales aspirations with the HS. The public responded despite those sales goals and the model was discontinued. That pretty much sums up the importance of sales goals.

The G20 became the G35/G37. The QX4 became the QX56/QX80. The others were discontinued though, yes.

Hmm, I'll ponder that.

LexFather

"you are going to step in and respond"

Have a great weekend greenie... I know I will

TangoRed

Truthfully I didn't expect the IS to top the Q50...until the reviews about the Q50's steering broke. Then I was like whelp there ya go. Not to mention Lexus really nailed the execution of the IS. As you said, that's especially good considering Lexus wasn't clamoring for the IS to carry the volume crown.

I actually wouldn't doubt that part of his post at all. LexFather was even driving a Q50 for a while right when it launched for a while, if I recall correctly.

Allen K

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Seeing the letters RLX and ZDX in the same thread makes me weep for the old Legend and Integra days. Otherwise known as the days that Acura had a pulse

speedflex

Guys,

Why does anything related to Infiniti have to devolve into such depressing "discussion". It happens every time.

Hoovey689

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Because the ES talk needed a break

DaveGS4

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LexFather, please exit this thread. The antagonistic and rude comments need to stop.... you can disagree with other members (regardless if they have 50 or 50,0000 posts) without the constant insults and accusations.

GS69

Tesla's US Sales May Be Cooling Off

Tesla Motors' high-flying shares are down more than 20% from their record high earlier this year.

The likely reason: Tesla's U.S. sales are cooling off.

The electric automaker is set to report first quarter results after the bell on Wednesday. While Tesla has said that it expects to post a 55% jump in sales worldwide, all of that growth appears to be coming from overseas markets.

Sales of the Model S have been rising steadily since its debut in 2012, as Tesla ramped up production. Demand for the car has consistently outstripped supply, despite a price tag starting at $69,000. The manufacturer sold 22,477 cars in 2013, up from just 3,100 the year before, and analysts believe almost 90% of those sales were in the United States.

Tesla forecast that it would sell 35,000 of the Model S worldwide in 2014, but sales tracker Autodata estimates that U.S. sales in the first quarter rose less than 1%.

The automaker is currently ramping up sales in Europe and is getting ready to to roll out in China this spring.

Investors are increasingly concerned about a decline in 2014 North American deliveries, according to Adam Jonas, auto analyst with Morgan Stanley.

Jonas said he believes that Tesla probably will post a decline in U.S. sales, but that he's not concerned. Strong demand from U.S. early adopters who were eager to buy the car last year will be difficult to match, he said.

"Will the headlines matter for how the stock trades? Very possibly," he said. "Are we fundamentally concerned? No."

Wedbush Securities analyst Craig Irwin is also more interested in news about sales in Europe and the rollout in China than he is with North American sales.

"The Chinese love technology as much as we do," he said. "It's the largest luxury vehicle market in the world, and it's no secret that is where some of the premium European brands make all their money. So how Tesla sales are taking shape in China is a very important."

S2000toIS350

GS,

Thanks for the current Tesla info.

Here is my 5 to 7 year guess for them.

First, let's look back. The roadster was an impractical car that created exposure and let the earliest adopters touch the product.

The model S has served to be a real proof of concept with a broader high income early adopter population.

The model X will expand the customer base by hitting the SUV and minivan folks (still upmarket and there really is no upmarket minivan).

The 3 series size car will go the the corporate managers who loved the model S the VP has but can't afford that.

The wild card will be the pick up truck and it should be fun to watch Tesla battle in that huge volume arena.

I also can see them doing more with the model S (I believed they already mentioned AWD is coming).

And then they can get back to sports cars and hopefully create the next great American sports car.

Joeb427

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In a 60 Minutes segment, the Tesla founder said he is planning to make a mid $30k Tesla model soon.