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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 08:00 PM
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I think Lexus/Toyota got to focussed on gross sales, being top dog and lost their vision. I just replaced my Lex with and BMW 335I with the full electronic package. 22 MPG around town and really a nice car to drive. Full sports package etc. I am now looking to replace my wifes GX with an RX, BMW, Tesla X or Mercedes new releases. However I drove 2013 RX 350 full package and it is very much lacking. Backup camera had not visual assistance. No overhead views, limited help on blind spot etc. I am hoping the 2015 RX 350 based on the 2014 Harrier will have a much better package. Last Lexus has lost is design. The lines with the spindel grill is a love it or hate it. This approach limits your market.
The 2013 rx350 is very nice car, although the interior some what feel similar to an XLE trim from Toyota, and the engine is kinda noisy, but it isnt all that bad.

The things i dislike from Lexus is the lack from powerful engine, and agility of a balanced car...talk about body roll every corner at 15mph is...insane
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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Whitigir
The things i dislike from Lexus is the lack from powerful engine, and agility of a balanced car...talk about body roll every corner at 15mph is...insane
You should drive a new IS or GS.
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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Whitigir

The things i dislike from Lexus is the lack from powerful engine, and agility of a balanced car...talk about body roll every corner at 15mph is...insane
LFA
IS F
IS and GS are considered best driving in class
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F-sport RX, LS…

Have you driven a Lexus after 2007?

I took our GS F-sport to PBIR last fall where I had full access to the track with the only other car being the C7 we brought..the day proved to me the reviews were right…especially with the rear steer, it is one fun big sedan…..

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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 08:40 PM
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I love that c7 of your. The only new Lexus i have now is the RX non F trim...i probably look into the WRX for my next DD.
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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 08:41 PM
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I love that c7 of your. The only new Lexus i have now is the RX non F trim...i probably look into the WRX for my next DD.
Cool..WRX is fun fun
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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 09:23 PM
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6. by going after young demo - they might not be able to afford LS, but they will dream about affording LS one day.
This, IMO, is one of the big reasons the German makes have been successful and it always reminds me of these commercials:

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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 06:37 AM
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**UPDATE**

Today I went to the local Audi showroom and after some haggling the sales person allowed me to test drive the SQ5.

I must say after driving it I was rather disapointed considering the very high expectations I had of it. I don't know how Audi measures their performance but if the SQ5 does 0-100kmh in 5.1 seconds than my IS350 must do the same run in 2 seconds.
One thing that you feel is the extremly rock hard ride. Even the slightest road imperfection makes its way inside and shudders the entire cockpit.
One awkward thing abut all Audi's is their accelerator pedal. Unlike Toyota's usual pedal the Audi ones don't have much travel which makes it difficult to smoothly drive the vehicle. You either are either giving it too much gas or it's not moving.
Interior quality was pretty damn poor. The entire interior 'looks' well padded but it really is not. The dash feels rock hard and the buttons and ***** feel more like on/off switches. The door panel was rather flimsy. Unusually thin for any car, let alone a luxury car.
While it is a diesel powered car but being a 6-cylinder and a 'luxury' car the clatter & vibrations are unacceptable. Also road noise & tyre roar were prominen.

Ride and handling ;

The car rides harsh as I mentioned but the problem with it was that there still was noticeable body roll. Which made for an awkward compromise. Usually hard riding cars do not have much body roll but that was not the case with the SQ5. The steering also was quite mundane. Had a very over boosted feel to it, even at high speeds which I personally thought was pretty dangerous. In my IS350 I feel the steering becomes much less boosted at higher speeds. The brakes were very good though, but like all VW they have a strong initial bite but they fade out quickly. To top it off it was very thirsty for a TDI !!!

Overall I rate the car 4/10

It's expensive and unless your looking for Diesel V6 that does fast 0-100kmh runs then there is really not much going on for this SUV

The Infiniti FX37 is cheaper and you get similar performance, more luxury and better looks.

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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 07:08 AM
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I agree with one thing here, the SQ5 is expensive. C&D recently tested one with a list price of $61k U.S. Other observations mostly subjective.

We don't get the TDI version here. The 0-60 time on the gas version was 5.2 sec vs. Audi's estimate of 5.1. C&D also recently tested a regular (non S version) 3.0 TDI @ 5.8 seconds 0-60.
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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by yowps3

Interior quality was pretty damn poor. The entire interior 'looks' well padded but it really is not. The dash feels rock hard and the buttons and ***** feel more like on/off switches. The door panel was rather flimsy. Unusually thin for any car, let alone a luxury car.
While it is a diesel powered car but being a 6-cylinder and a 'luxury' car the clatter & vibrations are unacceptable. Also road noise & tyre roar were prominen.
This was my experience with the Q5 as well. My boss bought one in 2012 and I was sorely disappointed with "Audi design and interior quality" when inside of it. For one, I just don't care much for Audi dashboards as I find them to be relatively disjointed looking, and not very cohesive like BMW or Lexus. This, of course, is subjective. To me, many of the elements like dash vents, nav screen and trim don't blend into each other, but rather, are just placed on the dashboard independently. Furthermore, as you mention, there are a lot of very hard plastics used - some similar to my Rav4. Switches and ***** have a very brittle feeling to them, almost as if with too much pressure, they would break. The doors are especially thin feeling as well.

I don't think the Q5 is a bad car, but it's clear that the RX has three generations behind it and Audi is just getting started. RX is much more solidly built, with higher quality materials, better ride and a feeling of luxury that the Q5 just doesn't have. Would I like an RX with 354hp and sharper handling? Yes, but to me, that is not the reason I would buy a CUV in this class, and especially not for ~$60k+.

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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 92 SC400
This, IMO, is one of the big reasons the German makes have been successful and it always reminds me of these commercials:

Porsche commercial - YouTube
exactly. there was a research conducted back in 90's. they asked kids and adults to draw their dream cars. most of them drew a red 911.

right now, both UFC and NFL are going after women very hard because moms make decision for their kids more often than not. moms acceptance on these violent sports only means more kids playing football and enrolling MMA dojos.
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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by yowps3
**UPDATE**

Today I went to the local Audi showroom and after some haggling the sales person allowed me to test drive the SQ5.

I must say after driving it I was rather disapointed considering the very high expectations I had of it. I don't know how Audi measures their performance but if the SQ5 does 0-100kmh in 5.1 seconds than my IS350 must do the same run in 2 seconds.
One thing that you feel is the extremly rock hard ride. Even the slightest road imperfection makes its way inside and shudders the entire cockpit.
One awkward thing abut all Audi's is their accelerator pedal. Unlike Toyota's usual pedal the Audi ones don't have much travel which makes it difficult to smoothly drive the vehicle. You either are either giving it too much gas or it's not moving.
Interior quality was pretty damn poor. The entire interior 'looks' well padded but it really is not. The dash feels rock hard and the buttons and ***** feel more like on/off switches. The door panel was rather flimsy. Unusually thin for any car, let alone a luxury car.
While it is a diesel powered car but being a 6-cylinder and a 'luxury' car the clatter & vibrations are unacceptable. Also road noise & tyre roar were prominen.

Ride and handling ;

The car rides harsh as I mentioned but the problem with it was that there still was noticeable body roll. Which made for an awkward compromise. Usually hard riding cars do not have much body roll but that was not the case with the SQ5. The steering also was quite mundane. Had a very over boosted feel to it, even at high speeds which I personally thought was pretty dangerous. In my IS350 I feel the steering becomes much less boosted at higher speeds. The brakes were very good though, but like all VW they have a strong initial bite but they fade out quickly. To top it off it was very thirsty for a TDI !!!

Overall I rate the car 4/10

It's expensive and unless your looking for Diesel V6 that does fast 0-100kmh runs then there is really not much going on for this SUV

The Infiniti FX37 is cheaper and you get similar performance, more luxury and better looks.
This is the only review I've ever read that didn't like the car.

Be aware it's an S model, so a hard ride is to be expected. It's not supposed to ride like a Lexus - the Q5 is much softer.

The 3.0T is certainly the better performance engine if you care about 0-60 - but the diesel has torque all over the place and never struggles. The thing about the TDI is that it loses grunt at high RPMs, so if you're expecting a NA style increase in power to redline, you're going to be disappointed. 0-60 is the wrong thing to care about in the car. Try 60 to 100.

I think both Lexus and Audi have fantastic interiors, but they are quite different. Audi absolutely wins on ergonomics, but because the buttons are on the console rather than dash, it does take some adjustment. In typical German style, it's not "elegant", but it is simple and efficient. Lexus' interiors have more style and flair for sure.
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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MPLexus301
The A7 costs at least 2x as much as your IS350...it should definitely be more refined and quieter.
That and it's not six years old with who knows how many miles on it.
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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by yowps3
To my surprise it was more refined and quieter than my IS350.
I have a Mercedes Benz ML350 and the Lexus IS250. When driving either one at a stretch for many days, and then switching to the other, the other vehicle always feels more quieter. I attribute that to our expectation of what noise is based upon our existing experience with the daily driver vehicle.

The other day I had a Dodge charger 2013 as a rental. It felt the most quietest car I had driven. That is, until I drove it for a couple of more days, and then I started picking up on it's noise pattern/profile.

Switching back to my ML350 after the 1 week in the Dodge, and the ML350 was quiet like a tombstone.

Keep that in mind too when you evaluate vehicles. Of course, pure db numbers are another thing.
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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 11:47 AM
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Where did Lexus go so wrong?
They have not gone wrong. not yet. What they have is organic sustainable growth. I like it better than the spurts that other marquees show every now and then.
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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 01:22 PM
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They have not gone wrong. not yet. What they have is organic sustainable growth. I like it better than the spurts that other marquees show every now and then.
They were going wrong for sure with the models that came around in mid to late 2000s.

Thanks to Mr. Toyoda for stepping in and injecting some passion.

Again Lexus was #1 in Sales for awhile but the Germans caught up and Lexus focused too much on Hybrids and not enough on other important factors.

I personally like the Sporty direction Lexus has taken and the new cars - GS and IS- have been impressive!

New RC, new LS soon, and F models - future looks bright.
The Germans are on fire though and it should be great for us as the consumer.
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