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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 01:39 PM
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Are you joking? Incorrect? No one combines ES/GS sales. It is not practiced in the industry. For general knowledge sure, go ahead. For 3-5 people on CL, sure go ahead. No one does it.
we do it every month when some people say the GS sales are below 5 series and e class, so we (including you) have pointed out lexus has a two pronged approach to the midsize sedan with ES/GS. so what is pretty amazing is that even with the two vehicle strategy, and with the ES being pretty inexpensive, the e-class is still outselling both combined.

what i think is a joke is comparing GS sales to the weak sauce infiniti M, but of course anyone can compare anything to anything.
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 02:16 PM
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Thanks Lexfather! My main points:

-Good to see the refreshed E-class is selling well.
-I think more people will choose the CLA once the C-class arrives and moves up and price, although it will face competition from the A3 sedan soon
-Nice jump on Q50 sales. They may be pushing incentives but hey...so do Mercedes and BMW
-X5 and ML are always so close in sales
-Lincoln MKZ is still chugging along
-Cadillac CTS is off to a decent start...lets see if that trend continues
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TangoRed
Thanks Lexfather! My main points:

-Good to see the refreshed E-class is selling well.
-I think more people will choose the CLA once the C-class arrives and moves up and price, although it will face competition from the A3 sedan soon
-Nice jump on Q50 sales. They may be pushing incentives but hey...so do Mercedes and BMW
-X5 and ML are always so close in sales
-Lincoln MKZ is still chugging along
-Cadillac CTS is off to a decent start...lets see if that trend continues
No problem at all. Curious to see CTS sales next year since this still includes the previous gen and the Wagon/Coupe.

From my understanding CLA sales dropped due to inventory, not due to demand. Demand is off the charts for it as we both know.

Overall for most brands/cars a strong month. Lincoln sadly did not see the leap in sales that the others did.
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what i think is a joke is comparing GS sales to the weak sauce infiniti M, but of course anyone can compare anything to anything.
If you followed, that was in response to the poster trying to say the Q50 sold better than the GS and IS. I simply posted that the proper comparison was to the M, not the Q50. Funny how the last generation people were fapping endlessly about the M and how the GS was not sporty etc etc. Now that the GS is sportier and outselling it all we here are crickets and those vocal people are gone.

But hey I called it 4 years ago.
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 03:31 PM
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The RLX enjoying the biggest sales increase in the history of the brand (probably industry). Almost 6000%!!! Smashing success!

Those e-class sales are ridiculous. My friend offered $470 a month and 2k down on a E350 4matic. Not sure what competitors are going for yet but thought that was shocking ( or maybe class average?)

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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 03:31 PM
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Even though I've never posted in a monthly sales thread, I do come visit the threads every month and I just wanted to say how beautiful COMPETITION really is.

All of these manufacturers competing for market share is really good for the consumers. Great auto products, really!
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by G Star
Even though I've never posted in a monthly sales thread, I do come visit the threads every month and I just wanted to say how beautiful COMPETITION really is.

All of these manufacturers competing for market share is really good for the consumers. Great auto products, really!
same would have worked for health insurance as it does for car insurance.
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
same would have worked for health insurance as it does for car insurance.
No disagreement from me.
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 05:11 PM
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I left out luxury since LexFather handled that; added subcompact luxury & Buick products
Originally Posted by TSX79

Verano 2,724 -23.8%
Regal 2,018 +83.3%
Encore 2,663
Enclave 4,687 -2.7%

CT 1,002 -23.8%
1series 699 +12.9%


500 2,138 -41%
Spark 1,741 +1.9%
Cooper 1,727 -30.6%
iQ 234 -63.9%

Versa 8,327 -5.7%
Sonic 4,712 -6.1%
Fiesta 4,642 +25.9%
Accent 4,641
Fit 4,140 +20.1; EV 23 -14.9%
Rio 2,474
Mazda2 724 -71%
Yaris 712 -68.8%

Civic 26,291 -15.9%; hybrid 1,031 +87%
Corolla 22,434 -4.6%
Cruze 18,397 +9.4%
Elantra 16,751
Focus 15,239 -16.8%
Jetta 12,417 -12.9%
Sentra 11,664 +62.5%
Mazda3 7,756 -21.2%
Dart 6,486 +44%
Forte 4,423
Impreza 3,767 -17.3%
Golf 2,243 -17.2%


Camry 30,386 +1.6%
Accord 27,093 -.8%; PHEV 68; FHEV 530
Altima 24,604 +21.2%
Fusion 22,839 +51%
Sonata 16,595
Malibu 14,405 +40.9%
Optima 10,871
Passat 8,876 -15.8%
200 5,621 -24%
Avenger 4,887 -31%
Mazda6 3,641 +202.4%
Legacy 2,911 -21.8%

Impala 13,418 +20.2%
Maxima 7,208 +52.4%
Charger 6,985 +11%
Avalon 5,835 +329.3%
Taurus 4,400 -14.4%
300 4,115 -14%
Cadenza 913
Azer 512

Mustang 5,376 +1.3%
Camaro 5,068 +13.5%
Challenger 2,757 -4%
Genesis 1,989
FR-S 1,298 -7.5%
BRZ 756 +43.6%
370z 444 -1.3%

OutBack 8,852 -12.6%
Venza 2,239 -41.2%
CrossTour 1,314 -33.7%

Prius 16,129 -6%
C-MAX 2,398 -50.5%
LEAF 2,003 +30.1%
Volt 1,920 +26.4%
Insight 402 +62.4%
CR-Z 295 +16.3%

Soul 12,870
XB 1,323 -5.1%
Cube 310 -60.8%

CR-V 23,509 +1.2%
Escape 20,988 +.1%
Rav4 19,447 +50.5%
Equinox 18,397 +9.4%
Forester 13,410 +135.1%
Rogue 10,487 -17.2%
Cherokee 10,169
SantaFe 9,657
Edge 8,761 -13.6%
CX-5 6,323 +50.1%
XV CrossTrek 5,311 +157.8%
Patriot 5,148 +23%
Sportage 4,693
Compass 3,547 +31%
Tucson 3,285
Tiguan 2,235 -20.6%

Grand Cherokee 14,798 +9%
Explorer 13,220 -8.6%
HighLander 11,544 +17.2%
Sorento 8,645
Pilot 8,150 -16.3%
Acadia 7,566 +108.4%
Traverse 6,889 +20.9%
PathFinder 6,801 -16%
Murano 5,720 +11.5%
Durango 5,581 +36%
Journey 5,155 -22%
CX-9 1,306 -42.8%
Touareg 570 -46.6%
Tribeca 107 -34.8%

Odyssey 9,401 -3%
Sienna 8,820 -4.2%
Flex 2,125 +28.9%
Quest 768 -54.1%
Mazda5 667 -48.1%
Sedona 522
Routan 258 -69.1%
-Nissan Versa sales strategy is working
-Grand Cherokee sales still beating Explorer
-Durango sales up
-Kia Soul still murdering competition
-Mustang outsold Camaro
-Darte sales are up; Kia Forte sales still down for some reason
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
same would have worked for health insurance as it does for car insurance.
oh gosh please don't make this a debate forum now
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rominl
oh gosh please don't make this a debate forum now
no, i think we can all agree that the intense competition in the car biz is producing more and more interesting vehicles, even if we complain this one took the styling cues from that one.
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 06:22 PM
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 06:33 PM
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 10:24 PM
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mercedes killed it jesus
did they give away their cars, or are they really that hot?

CLA is still ugly to my eyes.

Do mercs still have electrical problems?


Lexus has a $499 lease or 1.9% apr on the GS. They can give it away and people will pass it up for an E class.

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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by pman6
mercedes killed it jesus
did they give away their cars, or are they really that hot?

CLA is still ugly to my eyes.

Do mercs still have electrical problems?


Lexus has a $499 lease or 1.9% apr on the GS. They can give it away and people will pass it up for an E class.
How many times must it be explained the GS has a much lower sales target

smh…

Do some research….its been explained in this VERY thread how hot Benz is
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Old Dec 4, 2013 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LexFather
How many times must it be explained the GS has a much lower sales target

smh…

Do some research….its been explained in this VERY thread how hot Benz is
Its not hard - GS sales SUCK! There is no excuse.
The car is good but sales are horrendous - there are many reasons for that imo.
LS is selling at almost the same volume. Considering the current LS is just a major refresh of a car that has been on sale since 2007 model year, it is Incredilble its outselling the 7series and Audi A8. Granted those cars are more expensive but still....

New CTS and Genesis will only further hurt the GS sales.
Prob be less than 1,000 units by the end of 2014 model year.

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