BMW M4 coupe concept leaked!!
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/08/21/b...-transmission/
BMW M4 to debut in Detroit, lose manual transmission
BMW M4 to debut in Detroit, lose manual transmission
BMW took the wraps off its M4 Concept at Pebble Beach last weekend, and many speculated that the highly anticipated production version of the sleek new two-door sports coupe would debut at the Los Angeles Auto Show later this year. But a well-placed source tells Autoblog that the E92 M3's successor won't arrive in Southern California this November. Instead, the German automaker will wait until the Detroit Auto Show in January for its first official reveal.
An all-new 3.0-liter inline-six with twin turbochargers is expected under the hood, and it should provide about the same horsepower as the current 4.0-liter V8 (rated at 414 horsepower), but with much more torque that arrives lower on the tachometer. The lightweight engine is said to have an impressively high redline, which is unusual for a turbocharged engine.
Unfortunately, Save the Manuals members aren't going to like this next bit of news. After four generations of three-pedal M3 models, our source says the upcoming F82 M4 will arrive with a dual-clutch transmission (DCT) as standard equipment – with no manual option – just like the latest iteration of the track-ready Porsche GT3 (few have complained about the automaker's PDK after driving the latest sports car from Stuttgart). In exchange for some moans, groans and gripes from enthusiasts, BMW's DCT mounted aft of the M4's inline-six will provide quicker acceleration and improved fuel economy.
An all-new 3.0-liter inline-six with twin turbochargers is expected under the hood, and it should provide about the same horsepower as the current 4.0-liter V8 (rated at 414 horsepower), but with much more torque that arrives lower on the tachometer. The lightweight engine is said to have an impressively high redline, which is unusual for a turbocharged engine.
Unfortunately, Save the Manuals members aren't going to like this next bit of news. After four generations of three-pedal M3 models, our source says the upcoming F82 M4 will arrive with a dual-clutch transmission (DCT) as standard equipment – with no manual option – just like the latest iteration of the track-ready Porsche GT3 (few have complained about the automaker's PDK after driving the latest sports car from Stuttgart). In exchange for some moans, groans and gripes from enthusiasts, BMW's DCT mounted aft of the M4's inline-six will provide quicker acceleration and improved fuel economy.
^^ I was just about to post this from here:
http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-b...nsmission.html
If it's true then BMW has just lost my interest in their M4 series. The dual-clutch transmission they will offer does sound very good and that's worth some applause... but I'd still only buy this kind of car in a traditional manual. It's a shame because it seems like they're really refining the their large M coupe series but the lack of a stick kills it for me.
Porsche has been guilty of just the same although to be fair I think the base 911's still have manuals and non-M BMW's will still offer them for the time being.
I hope the 1-Series/2-Series M (whatever they want to call it now) retains a 6-speed or 7-speed manual. It's closer to what an M3 used to be anyway.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-b...nsmission.html
If it's true then BMW has just lost my interest in their M4 series. The dual-clutch transmission they will offer does sound very good and that's worth some applause... but I'd still only buy this kind of car in a traditional manual. It's a shame because it seems like they're really refining the their large M coupe series but the lack of a stick kills it for me.
Porsche has been guilty of just the same although to be fair I think the base 911's still have manuals and non-M BMW's will still offer them for the time being.
I hope the 1-Series/2-Series M (whatever they want to call it now) retains a 6-speed or 7-speed manual. It's closer to what an M3 used to be anyway.
^^ I was just about to post this from here:
http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-b...nsmission.html
If it's true then BMW has just lost my interest in their M4 series. The dual-clutch transmission they will offer does sound very good and that's worth some applause... but I'd still only buy this kind of car in a traditional manual. It's a shame because it seems like they're really refining the their large M coupe series but the lack of a stick kills it for me.
Porsche has been guilty of just the same although to be fair I think the base 911's still have manuals and non-M BMW's will still offer them for the time being.
I hope the 1-Series/2-Series M (whatever they want to call it now) retains a 6-speed or 7-speed manual. It's closer to what an M3 used to be anyway.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-b...nsmission.html
If it's true then BMW has just lost my interest in their M4 series. The dual-clutch transmission they will offer does sound very good and that's worth some applause... but I'd still only buy this kind of car in a traditional manual. It's a shame because it seems like they're really refining the their large M coupe series but the lack of a stick kills it for me.
Porsche has been guilty of just the same although to be fair I think the base 911's still have manuals and non-M BMW's will still offer them for the time being.
I hope the 1-Series/2-Series M (whatever they want to call it now) retains a 6-speed or 7-speed manual. It's closer to what an M3 used to be anyway.
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^^ I was just about to post this from here:
http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-b...nsmission.html
If it's true then BMW has just lost my interest in their M4 series. The dual-clutch transmission they will offer does sound very good and that's worth some applause... but I'd still only buy this kind of car in a traditional manual. It's a shame because it seems like they're really refining the their large M coupe series but the lack of a stick kills it for me.
Porsche has been guilty of just the same although to be fair I think the base 911's still have manuals and non-M BMW's will still offer them for the time being.
I hope the 1-Series/2-Series M (whatever they want to call it now) retains a 6-speed or 7-speed manual. It's closer to what an M3 used to be anyway.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-b...nsmission.html
If it's true then BMW has just lost my interest in their M4 series. The dual-clutch transmission they will offer does sound very good and that's worth some applause... but I'd still only buy this kind of car in a traditional manual. It's a shame because it seems like they're really refining the their large M coupe series but the lack of a stick kills it for me.
Porsche has been guilty of just the same although to be fair I think the base 911's still have manuals and non-M BMW's will still offer them for the time being.
I hope the 1-Series/2-Series M (whatever they want to call it now) retains a 6-speed or 7-speed manual. It's closer to what an M3 used to be anyway.
outside of the sad-no-manual thing, i am very eager to find out about their engine setup. the article mentions the the tt i6 (booo) will have an impressively high rev redline. those two haven't gone together well in the past, if it still maintains 8000+ rpm redline, that's going to be very interesting
For a trackday car I can see why dual-clutch manuals are the future. I've driven a couple and color me impressed.
However, outside of track days I could care less about having the fastest shifting transmission technology. It's just more engaging day-to-day and using dual-clutch boxes to their limit on the streets is sure to get your license revoked. Yeah, they're going away slowly but surely but for now at least there are some new performance cars that still offer them.
At least the BMW 335i still has a 6-speed manual as do the Cayman, Boxster and all 911's that aren't Turbos or GT3's. And Vettes, etc. Current CTS-V 6-speed and ATS 6-speed. Boo Lexus on the IS250/350/RC though.
It is my hope that the 2-Series with a turbocharged I-6 continues to offer one. It's as big as the old E36 anyway.
However, outside of track days I could care less about having the fastest shifting transmission technology. It's just more engaging day-to-day and using dual-clutch boxes to their limit on the streets is sure to get your license revoked. Yeah, they're going away slowly but surely but for now at least there are some new performance cars that still offer them.
At least the BMW 335i still has a 6-speed manual as do the Cayman, Boxster and all 911's that aren't Turbos or GT3's. And Vettes, etc. Current CTS-V 6-speed and ATS 6-speed. Boo Lexus on the IS250/350/RC though.
It is my hope that the 2-Series with a turbocharged I-6 continues to offer one. It's as big as the old E36 anyway.
I was so tempted to switch over BMW with the X5 4.8xi, but it wasn't enough for me to switch to BMW. This is the car that will get me to jump on board.
When it hits showroom floors I will trade the Lexus in and order one in white with red leather assuming it drives as good as it looks.
When it hits showroom floors I will trade the Lexus in and order one in white with red leather assuming it drives as good as it looks.
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