Joeb427

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First let me say,I'm 6 months in and by now I'm usually bored with my car but I absolutely love the GS.
I can't see the 2 model strategy thing when the ES isn't in the class of the GS,5 and E.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

just wondering, how do you delineate 'executive class' from 'entry level'? thought it might be rwd/fwd but not so (xts, g37, genesis ...) - is it price? a level of how 'luxurious'?

same with "Premium/Near Luxury (large)" vs. "Premium/Near Luxury (midsize)" - i would think a taurus is no bigger than an avalon for example?

GSteg

iTrader: (15)

Holy cow that's a lot of Camrys sold!

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

lol - seriously? you just keep beating on honda/acura which is silly.

didn't defend it, just pointing out that you were wrong.

you're fixated on trying to paint acura as not luxurious when everyone ALREADY KNOWS YOU'RE RIGHT! we get it, acrua's not luxury! it doesn't compete with lexus! its sales aren't very impressive! its vehicles aren't very impressive for enthusiasts either. i couldn't care less if acura went away.

again, all brands make vehicles for those with low expectations. i'll see your rdx, and raise you the new rav4.

there you go again, the rdx and rx don't compete so no need to compare!

infiniti and acura are certainly weak market players and brands.

your thinking is completely out of date. few care if there's a 'aura of japanese' luxury' or whether there's 1 or 5 japanese players. most bmw buyers wouldn't know if it was built or design in spartanburg or germany and it looks like lexus is getting a lot of design input from california instead of japan these days. the business is global.

completely disagree. mercedes would like to crush audi into dust if it could.

Sens4Miles

I based it mostly on price, size, and EPA class. The lines are muddy between some models, but I tried to put this list together based on what cars would normally be compared to each other and from a potential buyer's perspective. You can't put these lists together based on rwd/fwd, because so many of them are awd as well. No one will dispute an RLX is in the same class as a GS for example, even though one is fwd and the other is rwd/awd.

MPLexus301

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Big update is just around the corner: spindle grille, new interior with remote touch, new wheels, tail lights, etc. I heard to expect something similar to the recent LS refresh.

Allen K

iTrader: (4)

Honestly, I wouldn't get an SUV that didn't have that as an option. Too many thieves out there not to cover up your belongings

MPLexus301

iTrader: (3)

Thanks man, same to you. Keep me posted on what you decide!!

DaveGS4

iTrader: (2)

bitkahuna, blueprint - let's take the personal commentary back and forth to private message please.

spwolf

well lets hope they do since 2IS is in run-off mode... they will have sucky sales for next 2 months.

spwolf

I also dont get hows RX classified... or CT.

but ok, he is doing it for us on his own time so I appreciate it!

Sens4Miles

To be honest, I was going to put the RX category in with the others in the category above it, but there's just so many models from different brands within that size/price range, I had to separate them somehow, so I separated them by size based on EPA class and somewhat on price (the Standard Size category has a higher starting point than the others). If you have a suggestion on making it better though, feel free to let me know and maybe I'll change it.

I threw the CT in that bottom category cuz I figured it might compete more with those models than any others, since it doesn't really have any real direct competitors that compare to it. Plus I didn't want to leave it out

TangoRed

Sens4Miles, do you have the actual Land Rover LR4 number? Thanks for compiling this list.

Sens4Miles

No problem. I've been looking and can't find the LR4 or the LR2 numbers yet. And I haven't seen Volvo's posted anywhere yet either. But once I get them, I'll edit the list.

LexFather

It's off but I'm happy to have inspired others to make their own list as they see fit to their inexperienced views. Its great to see and saves me time.

In the industry we know what numbers and categories are used. If people rather look at other lists, good for them. Fox news also has tons of viewers as does CNN.