BMW 328d confirmed for New York debut
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Having recently made this decision myself, I'll see if I can cover this for you. In my area, diesel is typically less than Premium, but is occasionally more. The difference is that prices are more stable. Over the past 6 months, the price of Diesel has varied between $3.89 and $4.19, while the price of Premium has varied between $3.49 and $4.89. Right now it's $4.09 for Diesel, $4.35 for Premium. Over my 16 fill-ups, I'd guess for 11 or 12 Diesel was cheaper, and for the other 4-5 Premium was cheaper. So I'd be saving money even if the mileage was the same. Probably one out of four stations in this area sells Diesel, so a bit more planning is required, but I have to stop a lot less often (and it fills much faster to boot!), so that's not burdensome at all. I have to drive past 3 Diesel-equipped stations on my 12-15 minute commute to work, and we do most of our grocery shopping at Meijer, all of which sell Diesel.
In my specific case, I went for the 335d over the 335i for two reasons: torque and mileage. Bone stock, most d's put just over 400lbft to the wheels. This is tractable power that you can use in normal driving conditions, yet is still a ton of fun if you want to get on it. Since they run lean from the factory, all you have to do is dump in a bit more fuel to make even more power, which I did last week by adding a JBD tuner.
Then there's economy. Before winter came, I was getting 26 city/42 highway. That's fallen a bit in the cold weather, but is still pretty amazing for a car with this much power. My driving is 70-80% city, and I'm still averaging just over 28mpg, though it was 30 until the frigid temps hit. Contrast this against the 335i, where owners with heavy city mix are reporting 16-19mpg on average (some as bad as 12!), while those who do mostly highway seem to average 22-24. So we're talking a 50-70% improvement in economy, on fuel that (for me) averages out to be cheaper, in a car that's every bit as quick (both run mid/high 13s stock). That's win/win/win in my book.
If you look at it from that perspective, I suspect my choice of a 335d is very similar to your choice of the GSh. The unusual combination of performance and economy, with the added bonus of driving around something that's just a little bit different than what you see every day. It puts a smile on my face, which I think is the most important facet of owning a car.
No 328d for me, but I'm fairly certain that my wife's RX350 will be replaced with a 535d
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In my specific case, I went for the 335d over the 335i for two reasons: torque and mileage. Bone stock, most d's put just over 400lbft to the wheels. This is tractable power that you can use in normal driving conditions, yet is still a ton of fun if you want to get on it. Since they run lean from the factory, all you have to do is dump in a bit more fuel to make even more power, which I did last week by adding a JBD tuner.
Then there's economy. Before winter came, I was getting 26 city/42 highway. That's fallen a bit in the cold weather, but is still pretty amazing for a car with this much power. My driving is 70-80% city, and I'm still averaging just over 28mpg, though it was 30 until the frigid temps hit. Contrast this against the 335i, where owners with heavy city mix are reporting 16-19mpg on average (some as bad as 12!), while those who do mostly highway seem to average 22-24. So we're talking a 50-70% improvement in economy, on fuel that (for me) averages out to be cheaper, in a car that's every bit as quick (both run mid/high 13s stock). That's win/win/win in my book.
If you look at it from that perspective, I suspect my choice of a 335d is very similar to your choice of the GSh. The unusual combination of performance and economy, with the added bonus of driving around something that's just a little bit different than what you see every day. It puts a smile on my face, which I think is the most important facet of owning a car.
No 328d for me, but I'm fairly certain that my wife's RX350 will be replaced with a 535d
.Hey thanks for taking the time. Good read.
Saw the A8 diesel specs that are coming here and it's pretty good though it has only 240hp (but 400lbs torque)
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2014 BMW 328d rated at 32/45 mpg
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http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2014-...photo-5768697/
BMW still hasn't released official fuel economy numbers for its diesel-powered 2014 328d, but now, those mileage ratings have been posted on the EPA's FuelEconomy.gov website. As expected, the 328d is quite an efficient little machine, with the rear-wheel-drive sedan good for 32 miles per gallon in the city and 45 mpg highway. That even bests the 30/42 mpg of the smaller Volkswagen Jetta TDI.
The last time BMW offered a diesel 3 Series in our market, it was the six-cylinder 335d, which – while mighty quick and excellent to drive – was only offered as a rear-wheel-drive sedan and was rated at 23 mpg city and 36 mpg highway. For 2014, BMW will offer the 328d with optional xDrive all-wheel drive, though that reduces the fuel economy numbers to 31/43 mpg. Beyond that, the BMW will even sell you a 328d xDrive wagon, which nets the same 31/43 mpg rating, according to FuelEconomy.gov.
Look for the 2014 BMW 328d to hit dealerships this fall, and when it launches, it will be the only diesel offering in its class (until the next Mercedes-Benz C-Class arrives, anyway). Lexus and Infiniti will offer hybrid versions of the IS and Q50, respectively, but we've always had a taste for torque, and the 328d's 2.0-liter engine with 180 horsepower and 280 pound-feet of twist shouldn't disappoint.
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/07/31/2...-fuel-economy/
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wow great numbers on both power and efficiency. Im all for hybrids (I even have one) but this is just great product seeing as how their are less complications/cost/environmental damage associated with batteries
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That's awesome. Given how EPA ratings tend to work with diesels, you should easily be able to achieve 50 mpg on the highway with a 328d. And 43 mpg for an xDrive version is great too! Kinda bummed about no 335d on the F30 generation, but at least you'll be able to get that on the 535d if you feel like spending $60k. 0-60 in 7.2s doesn't sound all that hot, but with the way diesels move with all of that torque and instantaneous passing power it will be more than sufficient to put smiles on people's faces. The power and torque to weight ratio of the 328d is practically identical to our 5200lb X5d, and I'm very pleased with the way our X moves, so would be equally pleased with the 328d. Not too much to enjoy like my 335i, and not too little. It'll be just right.
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I love reading stories like this, and the numbers look great. But the price of entry is likely going to be horrendous, making the gas savings a moot point. Or so that's been the pattern all too often. What's this thing going to cost? How many years would it take to recoup the price of admission?
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Will have to see how incentives work out once it goes on sale, but with the Eco Credit BMW was offering on both the E90 335d and our E70 X5d, they weren't any more expensive than the gassers. Actually our X5d ended up being cheaper. The 328d is only $1750 more expensive than the 328i, with equipment presumably being just about identical so that's pretty reasonable.
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lol just like the S 500 vs S550. Americans like their engines to appear big and Europeans like them small. haha
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I read on bimmerfest the 335d can have Carbon Build up issues. Just one thought on the matter at least
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Swung by my local BMW dealership today to pickup a free quart of oil for my 335i because it was low, but it turned out it was due for a few other things also so I dropped it off and picked a 328d up as a loaner.
I had already calculated out that the power and torque to weight ratio was identical to our X5d, so yes it moves exactly like that vehicle does. Nothing to get super excited about at the top-end with only 180hp in the 328d, but tons and tons of torque in the mid-range (280 ft-lbs). It has just the right amount of power IMHO. The biggest thing I was curious about was how the engine would sound, and it actually sounds pretty much identical to the petrol engine in the 328i which I've had for a loaner also. It has a snarly sporty sort of sound, and I think it would take a well-trained ear to tell the two apart based on sound alone, at least from inside the cabin.
Overall I like the car, minus current 3-series attributes I don't like (numb steering, softer brakes, etc). It's a nice car with plenty of go and great MPG (43 highway for this xdrive model, and 45 mpg for the RWD).
I had already calculated out that the power and torque to weight ratio was identical to our X5d, so yes it moves exactly like that vehicle does. Nothing to get super excited about at the top-end with only 180hp in the 328d, but tons and tons of torque in the mid-range (280 ft-lbs). It has just the right amount of power IMHO. The biggest thing I was curious about was how the engine would sound, and it actually sounds pretty much identical to the petrol engine in the 328i which I've had for a loaner also. It has a snarly sporty sort of sound, and I think it would take a well-trained ear to tell the two apart based on sound alone, at least from inside the cabin.
Overall I like the car, minus current 3-series attributes I don't like (numb steering, softer brakes, etc). It's a nice car with plenty of go and great MPG (43 highway for this xdrive model, and 45 mpg for the RWD).
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Overall I like the car, minus current 3-series attributes I don't like (numb steering, softer brakes, etc). It's a nice car with plenty of go and great MPG (43 highway for this xdrive model, and 45 mpg for the RWD).
