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Old Mar 5, 2014 | 01:47 PM
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lost $16M in 4Q, $74M for the year and stock price still goes up?
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lost $16M in 4Q, $74M for the year and stock price still goes up?
There's a term called 'double standards'.
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
While it'll be a cool vehicle I'm more looking forward to the affordable baby Tesla S. Tesla will have an intense hit on their hands if they can make it look as good as the Tesla S for a lower price.

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On a funnier note:

Tesla S
Tesla X

Rumormill has floated around that the baby Tesla S would be named Tesla E..

I get a kick out of that. A few of my friends who work at the Nummi Plant said Elon Musk joked around in a team meeting saying they would have another model slated called the Tesla Y

Tesla S.E.X.Y

I personally think that the Model-S looks amazing.

But let's all hope the Model-E looks not like this;

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Originally Posted by yowps3
I personally think that the Model-S looks amazing.

But let's all hope the Model-E looks not like this;

Interesting render. While it has a few nice design cues, it does look rather pleblian and doesn't have the presence of the Model S
Old Mar 5, 2014 | 03:58 PM
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I don't think that rendering looks bad, looks kind of like a volvo. Its not going to have pretense if its mid size
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Interesting render. While it has a few nice design cues, it does look rather pleblian and doesn't have the presence of the Model S
Yeah true. But in my opinion the Model-S is the epitome of 'nice design'
The recipe for a nice looking design is simple. Wide track, low height with a wide stance, very narrow wheel gap, very narrow wheel wells & short (not extremely short) overhangs. When you have that then you have the fundamentals set.

Toyota & Lexus don't seem to follow this scheme. Especially with their newer models. The new Camry has such a narrow track and small wheels that it looks like it's going to tip over!







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Originally Posted by yowps3
Yeah true. But in my opinion the Model-S is the epitome of 'nice design'
The recipe for a nice looking design is simple. Wide track, low height with a wide stance, very narrow wheel gap, very narrow wheel wells & short (not extremely short) overhangs. When you have that then you have the fundamentals set.
great post (not touching the toyota/lexus second part though ).

just saw a model-s parked for days on end in sub-freezing temps in colorado at a resort. by the end of my stay it had quite a bit of snow on it, and i couldn't help wondering if it would even start in those conditions (cold being not friendly to batteries 'n all)

sure is purty though...
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Originally Posted by GS69
(Edmunds review...)
with so many issues on the car so early in its life, you gotta wonder what is going to happen in 2-3 years.

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Originally Posted by yowps3
Yeah true. But in my opinion the Model-S is the epitome of 'nice design'
The recipe for a nice looking design is simple. Wide track, low height with a wide stance, very narrow wheel gap, very narrow wheel wells & short (not extremely short) overhangs. When you have that then you have the fundamentals set.

Toyota & Lexus don't seem to follow this scheme. Especially with their newer models. The new Camry has such a narrow track and small wheels that it looks like it's going to tip over!
Both the Model S and Camry though are built for different demographics. While the Model S oozes a design study a vast majority find attractive, it features technology and features otherwise not available on a more plebeian Camry. But that's not to say despite the more dowdy appearance that it's bad. It's quite competent, reliable, efficient, affordable, and that narrow track will help shorten that turning radius, so its utility and usefulness is quite good for the price.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
great post (not touching the toyota/lexus second part though ).

just saw a model-s parked for days on end in sub-freezing temps in colorado at a resort. by the end of my stay it had quite a bit of snow on it, and i couldn't help wondering if it would even start in those conditions (cold being not friendly to batteries 'n all)

sure is purty though...
they will start, unless it is crazy, crazy cold... but they do spend more energy when cold and battery loses more charge when cold and off.
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folks, let's stay away from camry discussion in this thread. thanks.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
great post (not touching the toyota/lexus second part though ).

just saw a model-s parked for days on end in sub-freezing temps in colorado at a resort. by the end of my stay it had quite a bit of snow on it, and i couldn't help wondering if it would even start in those conditions (cold being not friendly to batteries 'n all)

sure is purty though...
The car is equipped with battery warmer and coolers to keep things dandy, just wondering how much energy that draws
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i saw a brown tesla S today... i did not think i would like brown, but it is a nice color. Definitely different, but not in a bad way!
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Tesla says Chris Christie's move is 'affront to the very concept of a free market'


Tesla has a special history with the state of New Jersey, having delivered the 500th Roadster there in 2009. Fast forward to 2014, though, and the electric vehicle company is having a decidedly less-positive experience in the Garden State. In short, Tesla's ongoing dealer fight has turned sour, and thing are potentially going from bad to worse today.

Tesla says it has been working "constructively" with the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission (NJMVC) and Governor Chris Christie's administration "to defend against the New Jersey Coalition of Automotive Retailers' (NJ CAR) attacks on Tesla's business model and the rights of New Jersey consumers." In other words, the right for Tesla to open its own stores and not use the traditional dealer model. The legislative process on the fate of Proposal PRN 2013-138 (PDF) has been continuing and Tesla says it thought everyone was acting in good faith, but now it's not so sure. In a new official blog post, Tesla says:

Unfortunately, Monday we received news that Governor Christie's administration has gone back on its word to delay a proposed anti-Tesla regulation so that the matter could be handled through a fair process in the Legislature. The Administration has decided to go outside the legislative process by expediting a rule proposal that would completely change the law in New Jersey. This new rule, if adopted, would curtail Tesla's sales operations and jeopardize our existing retail licenses in the state. ... This is an affront to the very concept of a free market.

A meeting on the proposal is scheduled to take place this afternoon, and Tesla is not happy about it. In Ohio last year, Tesla asked for immediate help to stop a similar bill, which ended up working. For a while.

Last year, New Jersey started considering an EV-only tax that would cost EV drivers about $100 a year, but that appears to have been scrapped.
http://green.autoblog.com/2014/03/11...o-free-market/
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Tesla says Chris Christie's move is 'affront to the very concept of a free market'




http://green.autoblog.com/2014/03/11...o-free-market/
Christie is a typical establishment politician, it is not surprising at all. Tesla is actually right on this one. Good article BTW, I enjoyed it.



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