Porsche 911 Carrera S nails down 7:37.9 'Ring time
10-11-12, 10:46 AM
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In truth though, Timo Kluck is a racing driver with experience ranging from Go-Karting to Formula BMW, Formula Renault and Formula 3 racing.
But right now though, he's mostly involved with the Porsche 991 GT3 Cup as well as in 24 hour Nurburgring races
http://www.speedsport-magazine.com/r...luck-,428.html
10-11-12, 12:04 PM
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Totally apples to oranges. Manufacturers' records are always much faster than those from independent testers because drivers at the manufacturers have much much more familiarity with the car AND are given many many more attempts at setting the records (to eliminate factors of weather conditions and human errors).
The standard LFA should do no slower than 7:22 in the hands of Akira Iida, the driver who set the record for the Nurburgring Edition.
The standard LFA should do no slower than 7:22 in the hands of Akira Iida, the driver who set the record for the Nurburgring Edition.
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10-11-12, 01:38 PM
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Very impressive for a 400hp 6cylinder especially that it beat the insanely fast 997 turbo but some of the claims of it beating certain cars don't seem to hold up or are debatable depending on what year/times you use. The 911 S is still over a 100K when you add just a few options where the GTR is well under 100K.
http://www.nissanusa.com/buildyourni...d.build.button
The GTR is a 100k car now, it is no longer the 70-80k car when it debuted.
Totally apples to oranges. Manufacturers' records are always much faster than those from independent testers because drivers at the manufacturers have much much more familiarity with the car AND are given many many more attempts at setting the records (to eliminate factors of weather conditions and human errors).
The standard LFA should do no slower than 7:22 in the hands of Akira Iida, the driver who set the record for the Nurburgring Edition.
The standard LFA should do no slower than 7:22 in the hands of Akira Iida, the driver who set the record for the Nurburgring Edition.
10-11-12, 02:37 PM
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Very impressive for a 400hp 6cylinder especially that it beat the insanely fast 997 turbo but some of the claims of it beating certain cars don't seem to hold up or are debatable depending on what year/times you use. The 911 S is still over a 100K when you add just a few options where the GTR is well under 100K.
10-11-12, 03:00 PM
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GTR is 96K and black edition is 106K. Still a better deal than a 911 . I know its preference but there is no way that a 911(standard) can run with a GTR. I think the new 911 looks amazing but with the lack of power and performance relative to the GTR its a no brainer in my book ( although I am GTR biased)
...I think R&T tested a Boxster S that was 94k!!!
I think the GT-R is still a smoking deal for the performance even at 100k. Just was better at 70k
10-11-12, 03:31 PM
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Funny that you chose to respond to his comment but ignore mine. Am I making too much sense to you? Tell you what, the LFA Nurburgring Edition did 7:34 around the 'Ring in the hands of the same test driver (from Sport Auto) that did 7:38 in the standard LFA. Are you therefore going to say 7:34 is the best that the LFA Nurburgring Edition can do?
The GT-R did 7:38 by the same Sport Auto driver and yet Nissan's test driver was able to set a 7:24 record with the car of the same model year. Are you going to say 7:38 is the best that the GT-R can do?
Think about it.
The GT-R did 7:38 by the same Sport Auto driver and yet Nissan's test driver was able to set a 7:24 record with the car of the same model year. Are you going to say 7:38 is the best that the GT-R can do?
Think about it.
10-11-12, 04:10 PM
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Funny that you chose to respond to his comment but ignore mine. Am I making too much sense to you? Tell you what, the LFA Nurburgring Edition did 7:34 around the 'Ring in the hands of the same test driver (from Sport Auto) that did 7:38 in the standard LFA. Are you therefore going to say 7:34 is the best that the LFA Nurburgring Edition can do?
The GT-R did 7:38 by the same Sport Auto driver and yet Nissan's test driver was able to set a 7:24 record with the car of the same model year. Are you going to say 7:38 is the best that the GT-R can do?
Think about it.
The GT-R did 7:38 by the same Sport Auto driver and yet Nissan's test driver was able to set a 7:24 record with the car of the same model year. Are you going to say 7:38 is the best that the GT-R can do?
Think about it.
#1 i totally agree that independent test vs manufacturer tests aren't equal. Someone disputed that the LFA and GTR never did 7:38 and I was simply pointing out those were some of the times posted by independent tests which is where they got the numbers. The times listed weren't false or made up.
#2 anyone that actually read the original article would notice that they specifically stated that the LFA, GTR, etc times were independent. You were only repeating what the article mentioned, didn't think i needed to reply to it again.
10-11-12, 04:31 PM
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I ignored yours for two reasons.
#1 i totally agree that independent test vs manufacturer tests aren't equal. Someone disputed that the LFA and GTR never did 7:38 and I was simply pointing out those were some of the times posted by independent tests which is where they got the numbers. The times listed weren't false or made up.
#2 anyone that actually read the original article would notice that they specifically stated that the LFA, GTR, etc times were independent. You were only repeating what the article mentioned, didn't think i needed to reply to it again.
#1 i totally agree that independent test vs manufacturer tests aren't equal. Someone disputed that the LFA and GTR never did 7:38 and I was simply pointing out those were some of the times posted by independent tests which is where they got the numbers. The times listed weren't false or made up.
#2 anyone that actually read the original article would notice that they specifically stated that the LFA, GTR, etc times were independent. You were only repeating what the article mentioned, didn't think i needed to reply to it again.
10-11-12, 06:30 PM
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But the official time is what 7:14 and 7:23 or so. Who quotes the slowest times?
Poor LFA...has fastest time, one of fastest times, "oh that is stupid, Ring doesn't matter, who cares, its slower than Ariel Atom etc etc"
LFA has slower time "its a POS, overpriced, Fail etc etc"
I'm not going to get in Ring pissing match. The 911 S time is amazing, the GT-R time is amazing, the LFA is amazing.
And as fast as a750k Porsche 918
Poor LFA...has fastest time, one of fastest times, "oh that is stupid, Ring doesn't matter, who cares, its slower than Ariel Atom etc etc"
LFA has slower time "its a POS, overpriced, Fail etc etc"
I'm not going to get in Ring pissing match. The 911 S time is amazing, the GT-R time is amazing, the LFA is amazing.
And as fast as a750k Porsche 918
10-11-12, 07:10 PM
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I ignored yours for two reasons.
#1 i totally agree that independent test vs manufacturer tests aren't equal. Someone disputed that the LFA and GTR never did 7:38 and I was simply pointing out those were some of the times posted by independent tests which is where they got the numbers. The times listed weren't false or made up.
#2 anyone that actually read the original article would notice that they specifically stated that the LFA, GTR, etc times were independent. You were only repeating what the article mentioned, didn't think i needed to reply to it again.
#1 i totally agree that independent test vs manufacturer tests aren't equal. Someone disputed that the LFA and GTR never did 7:38 and I was simply pointing out those were some of the times posted by independent tests which is where they got the numbers. The times listed weren't false or made up.
#2 anyone that actually read the original article would notice that they specifically stated that the LFA, GTR, etc times were independent. You were only repeating what the article mentioned, didn't think i needed to reply to it again.
10-11-12, 10:48 PM
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10-12-12, 09:31 AM
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But the official time is what 7:14 and 7:23 or so. Who quotes the slowest times?
Poor LFA...has fastest time, one of fastest times, "oh that is stupid, Ring doesn't matter, who cares, its slower than Ariel Atom etc etc"
LFA has slower time "its a POS, overpriced, Fail etc etc"
I'm not going to get in Ring pissing match. The 911 S time is amazing, the GT-R time is amazing, the LFA is amazing.
And as fast as a750k Porsche 918
Poor LFA...has fastest time, one of fastest times, "oh that is stupid, Ring doesn't matter, who cares, its slower than Ariel Atom etc etc"
LFA has slower time "its a POS, overpriced, Fail etc etc"
I'm not going to get in Ring pissing match. The 911 S time is amazing, the GT-R time is amazing, the LFA is amazing.
And as fast as a750k Porsche 918
I haven't seen an official time for the standard LFA. The only published time i've seen was 7:38 by an auto mag. Do you have a link of anything lower for the non nuburgring edition? Seems like the only "official" times out there are for the ring edition.
I've never said the LFA is slower than the 991. Someone on here said the 7:38 time wasn't accurate, but so far it's the only time I've seen for the standard LFA. Don't jump all over the article for posting that time, he used what was available to him.
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