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Old Oct 18, 2015 | 05:24 AM
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wow didnt realize the amount of changes watching that video. 40% thermal efficiency is impressive
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Old Oct 18, 2015 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Nextourer
I'm guessing that new parallel gear thingy that replaces the reduction gear will make up for the lost in torque in the electric motor? The MG2's torque has decreased from generation to generation.

Gen 1 - 225 lb-ft (JDM only)
Gen 1.5 - 258 lb-ft (the one we got)
Gen 2 - 295 lb-ft
Gen 3 - 153 lb-ft
Gen 4 - 120 lb-ft
main limiting factor is maximum battery output, not motor output. This is why combined power wasnt >170hp but 136hp... New motor seems to be able to run at higher speeds than old one (so it will be able to run on its own at higher top speeds than before, shutting down the engine during highway as well). Larger motor than needed is used to provide better brake regen, which now they increased despite having smaller motor (it is significantly better in G4).

However, there are rumors that total output is now smaller at 122hp (so 25hp battery output vs 37hp of old Prius) - not sure if thats realistic decrease since battery is exactly the same in power, or maybe they just changed the way they calculate this. They often mention stronger acceleration in PR's but they dont actually mention anywhere it is faster. So thats pretty much only big mystery left.

Another significant news is that max torque from the petrol engine is now 400 rpm lower at 3600 rpm... this means more relaxed acceleration since thats where Prius likes to go for most of acceleration demands (except for full WOT, which then goes to 1000 rpm more or so).
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Old Oct 30, 2015 | 03:55 PM
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English press release of the Japanese one released earlier

http://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/download/10100829

28-page PDF.

Note that ITS is for Japan only and well E-Four is still up in the air.
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Old Oct 30, 2015 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Nextourer
English press release of the Japanese one released earlier

http://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/download/10100829

28-page PDF.

Note that ITS is for Japan only and well E-Four is still up in the air.
btw, did you notice that NSX has almost exactly the same motor specs as Prius G4? Both torque and hp are almost the same.
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Old Oct 31, 2015 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
btw, did you notice that NSX has almost exactly the same motor specs as Prius G4? Both torque and hp are almost the same.
haha - i suspect the nsx will be slightly more fun to drive and slightly faster.
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Old Nov 2, 2015 | 07:43 PM
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Old Nov 9, 2015 | 11:39 PM
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Bangle on Prius design:



He thinks it is built for its audience and that it would look all different with 20" wheels like rest of the show cars :-)
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wow, when did chris bangle turn into colonel sanders?
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Old Nov 10, 2015 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
Bangle on Prius design:
He's right.

The audience does not post in car magazines nor auto shows.

The market for this car drives slow in the fast lane and doesn't give a damn about other people on the road. They're in it for themselves.

Ergo, "Look at me!" is more important that "I see you..."
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Old Nov 10, 2015 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by PhilipMSPT
He's right.

The audience does not post in car magazines nor auto shows.

The market for this car drives slow in the fast lane and doesn't give a damn about other people on the road. They're in it for themselves.

Ergo, "Look at me!" is more important that "I see you..."
you completely missed his point.
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Originally Posted by bagwell
you completely missed his point.
I twisted it enough to make it my own.
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Old Nov 18, 2015 | 07:32 PM
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Old Nov 26, 2015 | 10:59 AM
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Greg Carloss heads out to California to drive the latest generation of a - dare we say - classic hybrid as well as a newbie.
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Old Nov 26, 2015 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bagwell
you completely missed his point.
back to Bangle's point, Toyota NL had Prius showing, and they had one with IS-F like wheels (but 17"?) and it looked great.
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official MPG numbers...

Specifically, five of the six total trim levels will be rated 54 mpg city, 50 highway, 52 combined, and the lighter Prius Two Eco promises 58 city, 53 highway, 56 combined.

The 2015 Prius was rated 51 mpg city, 48 highway, 50 combined.
http://www.hybridcars.com/official-e...-toyota-prius/
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