Remote Touch Navigation is terrible and backwards technology IMO
Lead Lap
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They also state that they made the remote touch interface so that they could move the screen farther away from the drive to allow easier and quicker viewing while minimizing the time looking away from the road. The consequence of this is that it is farther away to touch. I have seen some cars where the NAV screen is set where the radio/ temp controls normally are and that just makes you take your eyes completely off the road to view.
Racer
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Voice commands for destination entry or Lexus Enform/eDestination.
I prefer the touchscreen. The mouse control like the one in the RX is alright, but it's still a pain to type letters in. The only thing about most screens nowadays is that the actual screen kinda sucks. I want to see an IPS screen with capacitive touch capabilities...(and the remote for all you who prefer that)
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do ALL of the new Lexus vehicles now have "Remote Touch" and no touchscreen Navigation units??? when did this change happen???
"Unlike the GS with its massive 12.3-inch colorful navigation/information display, the big space on the ES' dashboard is filled with a standard seven-inch screen, controlled by a **** on the center console. Opting for navigation – part of either the Premium, Luxury or Ultra Luxury packages – will get you an eight-inch display mated to Lexus' Remote Touch movable mouse-like joystick – a feature that, even after a few years, we still can't quite get used to."
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/18/2...-drive-review/
"Unlike the GS with its massive 12.3-inch colorful navigation/information display, the big space on the ES' dashboard is filled with a standard seven-inch screen, controlled by a **** on the center console. Opting for navigation – part of either the Premium, Luxury or Ultra Luxury packages – will get you an eight-inch display mated to Lexus' Remote Touch movable mouse-like joystick – a feature that, even after a few years, we still can't quite get used to."
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/18/2...-drive-review/
Gekko, only the ES , GS, RX , CT and soon LS offer remote touch with navigation but on the LS it's standard. The LX and GX still do not the ES and RX non navigation come with a ****. I'm not sure if the GS is the same way as I have never seen a GS equipped without the navigation.
This is a non navigation 2013 RX.
This is a non navigation 2013 RX.
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Lead Lap
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Gekko, only the ES , GS, RX , CT and soon LS offer remote touch with navigation but on the LS it's standard. The LX and GX still do not the ES and RX non navigation come with a ****. I'm not sure if the GS is the same way as I have never seen a GS equipped without the navigation.
This is a non navigation 2013 RX.
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This is a non navigation 2013 RX.
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my question was regarding TOUCHSCREEN vs. REMOTE TOUCH JOYSTICK.
are they ALL now REMOTE TOUCH JOYSTICK?
NO MORE TOUCHSCREEN AVAILABLE ON ANY MODEL??? DID LEXUS TOTALLY DO AWAY WITH TOUCHSCREEN ON ALL MODELS???
Now with the remote touch display you can have still have traditional controls for the AC and audio which originally. Want to know what is annoying? Having to use the touchscreen to control the AC and audio was incredibly annoying with all the nested menus. Have to press climate or audio then press other buttons to control it, instead of going straight to a dedicated climate/audio control. This is how its like in my moms LX470 and its annoying to have to navigate a couple menus just to change simple climate/audio settings.
Lot of things you haven't thought about from a design standpoint. It is not the best of both worlds.
Traditional controls for A/C and audio even with navi
2012 ES touchscreen:
Last edited by 4TehNguyen; Aug 14, 2012 at 07:02 AM.
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When I drive my father-in-law's car, I switch seamlessly between the two depending on activity. This is easy to do because the controls are right under the screen. I'd be a bit more difficult with Lexus/MB/BMW/Audi placement on the center console.
i'm with you though - can't stand these controllers.
I find that both have their benefits and I have only used the remote touch on a loaner for 2 days so I was not as comfortable with it as I am my touch screen but I think it is just as good, just different.
here is the GS with the new 12.3" screen, let me know how you can squeeze a 12.3" in a touchscreen configuration
Larger screen is safer to use since you dont have to focus or concentrate as much looking at the screen for where you are going. More concentration for driving and the screen position has already been mentioned.
2011 GS:
Larger screen is safer to use since you dont have to focus or concentrate as much looking at the screen for where you are going. More concentration for driving and the screen position has already been mentioned.
2011 GS:
Last edited by 4TehNguyen; Aug 14, 2012 at 07:09 AM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Touch#Background
Background
Prior to the advent of Remote Touch, Lexus interiors were typically equipped with touchscreen interfaces. Although this system was regarded by many reviewers as easier to use than conventional rotary **** controllers,[6] the need to place the touchscreen within easy reach limited design possibilities for the interior (by forcing placement of the screen in the center dash and in close proximity to the steering wheel). The enhanced technology trend in the automotive industry also resulted in a plethora of ever-increasing buttons and switches on many luxury vehicles.[6]
In response, several luxury brands had switched to rotary **** control devices, with the aim to simplify cabin layout and consolidate multiple controls with a single device.[6] The BMW iDrive, Audi MMI, and Mercedes-Benz Comand APS interfaces operated using a circular center **** which can be rotated side to side, and pressed to select items, with the rotary **** scrolling through on-screen menus. Of these systems, some reviewers praised their ability to simplify the dash layout,[6] while others levied criticism for reputed complexity and user difficulty, particularly with iDrive.[7][8][9]
In the mid 2000s, Lexus began developing an alternative to the touchscreen interface, in light of the latter's restrictions on interior styling and instrument panel configuration.[10] Prototype development and consumer testing was conducted to develop a new control device. Consumer research conducted with Lexus supplier Denso corporation indicated that the prototype control system required no more mental or physical effort than a touchscreen, plus offered interior layouts with more screen visibility, was physically more comfortable to operate, and easier to use while in motion.
Prior to the advent of Remote Touch, Lexus interiors were typically equipped with touchscreen interfaces. Although this system was regarded by many reviewers as easier to use than conventional rotary **** controllers,[6] the need to place the touchscreen within easy reach limited design possibilities for the interior (by forcing placement of the screen in the center dash and in close proximity to the steering wheel). The enhanced technology trend in the automotive industry also resulted in a plethora of ever-increasing buttons and switches on many luxury vehicles.[6]
In response, several luxury brands had switched to rotary **** control devices, with the aim to simplify cabin layout and consolidate multiple controls with a single device.[6] The BMW iDrive, Audi MMI, and Mercedes-Benz Comand APS interfaces operated using a circular center **** which can be rotated side to side, and pressed to select items, with the rotary **** scrolling through on-screen menus. Of these systems, some reviewers praised their ability to simplify the dash layout,[6] while others levied criticism for reputed complexity and user difficulty, particularly with iDrive.[7][8][9]
In the mid 2000s, Lexus began developing an alternative to the touchscreen interface, in light of the latter's restrictions on interior styling and instrument panel configuration.[10] Prototype development and consumer testing was conducted to develop a new control device. Consumer research conducted with Lexus supplier Denso corporation indicated that the prototype control system required no more mental or physical effort than a touchscreen, plus offered interior layouts with more screen visibility, was physically more comfortable to operate, and easier to use while in motion.
The introduction of Remote Touch on the 2010 Lexus RX was generally well received by reviewers,[15] and the system was described as easier to use than rivals by Autoblog,[7] Car and Driver,[16] Cars.com,[17] CNET,[18] Consumer Guide,[19] Edmunds.com,[10] Motor Trend,[8] PC Magazine,[2] Road & Track,[20] and Winding Road,[9] with Motor Trend predicting that competitors would adopt its design.[8] However, the system remained a controversial interface for some drivers who found it difficult to use, as compared to the previous, Lexus-standard touchscreen. Remote Touch won Popular Mechanics Technical Innovation Award,[21] and was named Popular Science's "Best of What's New" in Auto Tech for 2009
Racer
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I have an 09 LS with touchscreen and a '10 RX with the first generation of the remote and after using it for a while, I much prefer the remote. I traded an 08 ES with touchscreen for the RX and at first I thought I had made a mistake but I got used to the remote very quickly and now prefer it. I certainly don't see the controller a being a step back.
Steve
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