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Balancing Budgets on Drivers' Backs

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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 06:26 AM
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/19...drivers-backs/

So to add to higher gas prices, drivers (as many of us already talk about) are the targets to make more revenue.

Cities and states across the country are broke. But instead of raising taxes, lawmakers are raising traffic fines.
"This business of using fines and traffic fees as revenue sources is just flat wrong," said Lew Uhler with the National Tax Limitation Committee. "This is simply a tax by another name."
Nowhere is that more obvious than Los Angeles, where the city collects more then $1.8 million a year at a single intersection in the San Fernando Valley from drivers running a red light. Cost per ticket is $476.
"It's almost $500 and I have three kids right now," said Jesus Altamirano, standing outside a Los Angeles municipal courtroom where he is fighting a red light violation. "It's just hard the way they want to get you with these tickets."
But it's not just California. In a memo obtained by the Boston Herald, local police chief Ken Coye instructs his officers in the suburb of Malden to write at least one traffic or parking ticket per shift.

"We need to increase enforcement in areas that create revenue," says the Coye memo. "Write ‘ONE TAG A DAY.’"
Lawmakers around the country seem to listening.
* Parking in a fire lane in Pensacola, Fla., will cost you $100, up from $10.
* Georgia recently added a $200 surcharge for anyone driving more than 85 miles per hour.
* Colorado increased fines for speeding from $50 to $135.
* Portland, Ore., increased fines for parking in a handicapped spot from $190 to $450.
* Parking fines in Boston doubled to $40.
* Speeding in Florida just 10 miles over the legal limit will cost you $196, up from $154.
"We cannot afford to pay tickets, especially when we don't feel guilty for what we are being fined for," said Luis Rivera, a California contractor. Rivera was slapped with a $276 fine for not closing the tailgate on his pickup truck.
California's State Senate President Darrell Steinberg admitted lawmakers raised traffic fines to raise revenue - not for traffic safety or to change driver behavior. It's "one of the patches that we've relied on to avoid deeper cuts" to state programs, he said.
But closing a $28 billion dollar deficit isn't easy. Consider these Golden State fines:
* Driving one to 15 miles over speed limit is $215. Compare that to $50 in Idaho and Washington State.
* Run a stop sign: $236
* No seat belt: $148. In Louisiana, the same infraction is $25.
* Broken headlight: $100
* Park in a disabled spot: $1,043. A second offense is $2,000.
* Pass a school bus with flashing red lights in San Francisco: $754
"We ought not go to bankruptcy court as a result of simple infractions of driving laws," complained Uhler, who believes collections go down when fines get too high because motorists simply can't pay or refuse to because "punishment doesn't fit the crime."
Petros Abraham agrees. He got cited at 2 a.m. one night for making a right hand turn at a red light when he failed to stop for the required 3 seconds.
"I don't think it is fair," said Abraham. "They're just dumping all of their problems back onto the people, back onto the taxpayer."


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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 09:55 AM
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I wish we could vote them out and be merry... anyone that comes in after them will probably not do much about this.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 10:04 AM
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local police chief Ken Coye instructs his officers in the suburb of Malden to write at least one traffic or parking ticket per shift.
We went through pretty much this same issue in another recent CAR CHAT thread on quotas. There are so many people breaking so many traffic-laws each day (including cell-phone use/texting while driving, which is one of the most widespread) that police don't really need quotas. All they have to do is open their eyes and look....and they could write more tickets on any given day, especially in dense-traffic areas, than they physically have time for.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 10:05 AM
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My coworker told me he just got a ticked for doing a rolling stop at a residential intersection in the middle of the night. Fine: $475.

That seems like cruel and unusual punishment to me. It's ridiculous that these fines continue to skyrocket and we can't do a stinkin' thing about it.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by bruce van
My coworker told me he just got a ticked for doing a rolling stop at a residential intersection in the middle of the night. Fine: $475.

That seems like cruel and unusual punishment to me. It's ridiculous that these fines continue to skyrocket and we can't do a stinkin' thing about it.
I'm not necessarily going to defend excessive-level fines, but there's plenty you can do about it. Simply stop when it says stop.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 10:15 AM
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It's not the offense I'm defending, it's the amount of the fine. That's just crazy. Imagine if you are making $15/hour. How many days of work are committed to paying this fine. That's just crazy.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bruce van
It's not the offense I'm defending, it's the amount of the fine. That's just crazy.
On that, I'll agree.....it does appear to be a little high, at least by American standards.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 12:16 PM
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Just wait, since higher mileage and electric cars are coming, the government is planning to charge road tax by the mile instead of a gasoline tax.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 12:20 PM
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I think its pathetic. Its overspending, that is the issue.

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Just wait, since higher mileage and electric cars are coming, the government is planning to charge road tax by the mile instead of a gasoline tax.
Good point.

We've been walking more recently. The wife and I talked and we are fortunate to be in an area if we walk 2 miles one way we are within pretty much everything we need.

When I lived in NYC all we did was walk, we didn't have a car What they don't realize is some of us are willing to change habits.

Would love an IS F but that CT's 42 MPG looks great.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 12:27 PM
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I always wondered how much revenue generated by traffic fines.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 02:48 PM
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yes...... but most of it can be avoided just by following the traffic rules.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 02:57 PM
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^^^ Yes b/c people don't get tickets unjustly. Its not that simple. Those fines are absurd for some of those petty violations.

I suppose everyone here doesn't curse, doesn't drink, doesn't think bad thoughts and are angels. Yup everyone has done everything correctly. We all post at bible.com.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I suppose everyone here doesn't curse, doesn't drink, doesn't think bad thoughts and are angels. Yup everyone has done everything correctly. We all post at bible.com.
Well, Mike, compare this auto-forum to many others on the Internet. While not everyone in CL may have wings and play a harp, there's still a good reason why you and I have stayed here so long.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 03:37 PM
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Well, Mike, compare this auto-forum to many others on the Internet. While not everyone in CL may have wings and play a harp, there's still a good reason why you and I have stayed here so long.
The goats and free cookies?

Cheers Mike.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 03:43 PM
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Its not as bad as what mob man Daley err Mayor Daley did. He leased out the cities parking meters to a private company for pocket change for 99 years and now they are increasing prices. Its around 10 bucks an hour down town... Bloomberg wants to the same thing in NYC
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