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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 09:37 AM
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Source: http://www.torquenews.com/109/around...call-worldwide

Honda Motor Company, a beacon of reliability in a world that is crumbling, has just announced a recall due to faulty lost motion springs in the best selling car in Japan, the Honda Fit, as well as the Freed and City vehicles.

In North America there are around 120,000 Honda vehicles involved in the recall, with around 97,000 here in the United States. Each one is a Honda Fit between the years of 2009 and 2010.

To get technical for a moment, the recall is due to faulty lost motion springs, which act along with the movement of the rocker arm. The recall was issued because the rocker arms have been found to bend or break over time, which could break ones engine. That last sentence is key, because a broken engine is nothing to laugh at and could cost owners an arm and a leg to repair.

Honda issued the recall on the Fit after over 100 complaints were filed worldwide. Around 70 of those complaints came in Japan, Honda’s home market and where the automaker sold the most affected vehicles. Recently, Honda announced that the Fit overtook the Toyota Prius for the best selling car in Japan title.

This latest recall on the Honda Fit is the second in two months, with the first due to a faulty headlight switch. This recall involved 1.35 million vehicles worldwide on the 2007 and 2008 Fit.

This recall will be a costly one for Honda, as replacing these parts is not cheap. Honda will notify customers when the recall goes into effect.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 10:13 AM
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hmm didnt expect this. there wasnt even a toyota recall to mask this up.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 10:29 AM
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Toyota recall-Headline news b/c Toyota is the face of Japan, the #1 auto brand and king ding a ling.
Honda recall-Media doesn't care b/c Honda isn't that important
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 05:07 PM
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Ouch. Everyone has recalls, but some are more serious than others. This is a pretty serious recall. Honda's reputation as a great engine maker just further continues to erode.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 10:50 PM
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It's not the first round of bad news for Honda.

The 06-08 Honda Civic's apparently have thin metals used on the blocks. So thing that a lot of civics are getting cracked engine blocks. Dealers are replacing them (thats good at least) as they happen, but no "recall" really. My bro has an 08 Civic, thankfully he got an extended warranty up to 150k miles.

A good friend of mine just had her engine replaced, i believe it only had 34k miles.
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Thin metal on the blocks? That's terrible.
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Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
Thin metal on the blocks? That's terrible.
Yep.

Example of complaints:

http://vlane.com/discuss-topic/1724/...block-problems

You should read some of the comments, crazy lol
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Old Feb 18, 2011 | 08:45 AM
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Thin metal on the blocks? That's terrible.
Weight and cost control. Automakers keep trying to shave more and more weight off the cars, as more and more features are added at customer request and by Government-safety regs. Sometimes they just shave weight in the wrong places.
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To get technical for a moment, the recall is due to faulty lost motion springs, which act along with the movement of the rocker arm. The recall was issued because the rocker arms have been found to bend or break over time, which could break ones engine.
Honda engines, as I understand it, are all SOHC or DOHC. I thought the whole purpose of overhead-cam engines was to eliminate push-rods, rocker-arms, and as much of the associated hardware as possible. The valves are supposed to operate directly off the cam lobes....or through very short rods.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Weight and cost control. Automakers keep trying to shave more and more weight off the cars, as more and more features are added at customer request and by Government-safety regs. Sometimes they just shave weight in the wrong places.
cost and weight cutting, happens everywhere... nothing wrong with it if done right.
2.0 AZ engine in Rav4 had issue in Europe, one of the engine block screws was too short and under certain conditions, coolant fluid would leak :-)... someone simply missed calculations by few mm.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Honda engines, as I understand it, are all SOHC or DOHC. I thought the whole purpose of overhead-cam engines was to eliminate push-rods, rocker-arms, and as much of the associated hardware as possible. The valves are supposed to operate directly off the cam lobes....or through very short rods.
DOHC engines can eliminate all of the hardware you mentioned.

SOHC doesn't. The reason being is that you need two cams, one for intake, one for exhaust.

With DOHC, each cam (1 for intake, 1 for exhaust valves) can directly actuate their assigned valves. With SOHC, the single cam can not be in two places at once, so it is placed in the center, with rocker arms reaching over (from either side of the cam) to the valves they actuate. The singe cam actuates both intake and exhaust valves. Traditional push rods aren't needed in either case since the cam is in the head.

Here's a dusty illustration. SOHC head, cam in the center, rockers actuating valves on either side.

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And for some reason, most passenger car Honda engines are SOHC.
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Old Feb 18, 2011 | 12:23 PM
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Wow thanks cleanSC!
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Originally Posted by spwolf
2.0 AZ engine in Rav4 had issue in Europe, one of the engine block screws was too short and under certain conditions, coolant fluid would leak :-)... someone simply missed calculations by few mm.

That does suck and usually you don't see the problem until thousands of miles down the road when the tolerance is no longer good.


But I suppose this means Toyota's reputation as a great engine maker just eroded away?
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Originally Posted by KillaIS250
Yep.

Example of complaints:

http://vlane.com/discuss-topic/1724/...block-problems

You should read some of the comments, crazy lol
That is terrible! wow!
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