Hyundai Gandeur/Azera (fifth generation)
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I never said the interiors are the same, just that they use a similar style. That style seems to be going out of date, in favor of a more BMW/German/European look, which is partly why the Azera's interior seems a bit aged compared to newer cars like the ES, Impala, and Avalon - at least from photos.
Again note that I am not saying the designs are similar, so don't go looking for aesthetic similarities. You can have a similar style of designing an interior, but use it to design many different designs, which is what Toyota/Lexus did for half a decade.
Again note that I am not saying the designs are similar, so don't go looking for aesthetic similarities. You can have a similar style of designing an interior, but use it to design many different designs, which is what Toyota/Lexus did for half a decade.
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I just saw my first Azera and it looks fantastic. The profile is just as striking as the Audi A7 and from the rear 3/4 view I think it looks better than the A7. The interior is on a par with the current ES350 including the perforated leather seats. Sticker was $33K which included NAV and a sunroof. That makes it about $8K cheaper than a Genesis with similar equipment. A loaded Sonata Limited with turbo lists for $32K but is a much smaller car. Will a lot of people cross shop the Azera against the ES350? Probably not, but those who do will find a lot to like about the Hyundai. Direct pricing competition is probab;y Camry XLE and Accord EXL.
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I just saw my first Azera and it looks fantastic. The profile is just as striking as the Audi A7 and from the rear 3/4 view I think it looks better than the A7. The interior is on a par with the current ES350 including the perforated leather seats. Sticker was $33K which included NAV and a sunroof. That makes it about $8K cheaper than a Genesis with similar equipment. A loaded Sonata Limited with turbo lists for $32K but is a much smaller car. Will a lot of people cross shop the Azera against the ES350? Probably not, but those who do will find a lot to like about the Hyundai. Direct pricing competition is probab;y Camry XLE and Accord EXL.
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#334
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Having said that, though, I think that some of the best Hyundai products were done from the early-late 2000s. Some of the very latest ones, IMO, are showing thinner, lighter-weight materials and less solidness in the body and interior. But they are still good products.
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I'm glad to see Hyundai is a legitimate product now and people are accepting it. They worked very hard to produce a better product and a better image. Most companies have stayed stagnant or soured (Honda) but Hyundai has kept it fresh. Hats off to them, they do produce a great product at a fair price.
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Interesting point. Kind of like wondering what is the reason that some people go out of their way to defend the Azera and defend Hyundai here on ClubLexus.
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I'm glad to see Hyundai is a legitimate product now and people are accepting it. They worked very hard to produce a better product and a better image. Most companies have stayed stagnant or soured (Honda) but Hyundai has kept it fresh. Hats off to them, they do produce a great product at a fair price.
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As a car enthusiast I like to keep an eye on what they are doing.
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Also, general Lexus/Toyota news is never posted in the model-specific sub-forums here on CL. So if there is general Lexus/Toyota news, then Toyota/Lexus fans have no choice other than Car Chat. Given this, it seems only fair that Lexus/Toyota fans have first priority in terms of feeling comfortable posting in Car Chat over fans of other brands.
In contrast, model-specific news is often posted in the specific model sub-forums, where non-Lexus fans almost never post.
i disagree on your premises and analysis. i don't actually know of anyone on here who puts forth 'hatred' toward lexus. as a senior member here , i think lexus is awesome overall! not as much of a fan of most toyota models and toyota/lexus's business practices (such as option packaging and limited availability). but for me it's not about a brand as a whole, it's about individual models. i see pros/cons to all of them. is some of that subjective, that is, just an opinion? sure. should i (or anyone else) not be allowed to express disappointment, disagreement, or even repulsion at some of the choices lexus and other brands make about their vehicle designs or business practices? i don't think so. this isn't lexusfanbois.com.
Like I said, I believe constructive criticism is fine, but destructive criticism such as sly remarks and jabs at Lexus/Toyota with no good reason is not IMHO.
please feel free to pm me examples of 'constant negative jabs and criticism'.
CL has spirited discussion about all makes and models with a huge emphasis on lexus and toyota of course. if it was nothing but blind praise for lexus/toyota i think it would be a very dull place.
if you find some postings on CL 'shameful' you can report them or pm moderators about them.
CL has spirited discussion about all makes and models with a huge emphasis on lexus and toyota of course. if it was nothing but blind praise for lexus/toyota i think it would be a very dull place.
if you find some postings on CL 'shameful' you can report them or pm moderators about them.
I think Car Chat has actually become a bit of dull place for Lexus/Toyota fans. I have spoken to several ex-CL members who stopped posting on CL because they felt there were too many jabs and remarks against Lexus occurring without reasonable cause, mostly from the same people on Car Chat.
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^Great post
To think that Car Chat is just supposed to be some random anomaly on a Lexus forum, where people from all over the interet are going to come register on ClubLexus to talk about Nissan, Ford, Chevrolet, Fiat, etc, is really kind of foolish IMO. Most of the people who frequent this forum are current Lexus owners or ex-Lexus owners who came to CL when they were driving one. Does everything here need to be pro-Lexus? No, but the anti-Lexus jabs and repeated attemps by certain members to "level the playing field" for Lexus is really dragging down the morale IMO.
Maybe we need to create a "General Lexus Discussion" forum since, to your point, most people really don't post the same types of things in the model-specific forums that they do in Car Chat.
To think that Car Chat is just supposed to be some random anomaly on a Lexus forum, where people from all over the interet are going to come register on ClubLexus to talk about Nissan, Ford, Chevrolet, Fiat, etc, is really kind of foolish IMO. Most of the people who frequent this forum are current Lexus owners or ex-Lexus owners who came to CL when they were driving one. Does everything here need to be pro-Lexus? No, but the anti-Lexus jabs and repeated attemps by certain members to "level the playing field" for Lexus is really dragging down the morale IMO.
Maybe we need to create a "General Lexus Discussion" forum since, to your point, most people really don't post the same types of things in the model-specific forums that they do in Car Chat.
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honestly still don't agree with you. the avalon may have nice materials, but i don't think it's elegant (except center shifter area) - on the dash it looks like the big plastic thing is 'hung' on the rest of it... very strange and unnecessarily busy, plus i think the steering wheel is fugly.
the ES on the other hand, looks awesome, but again, i don't think the avalon competes with it at all.
what car is this?
the ES on the other hand, looks awesome, but again, i don't think the avalon competes with it at all.
what car is this?
On the other hand, as Mr. Burns pointed out, Azera is stuck with old style interior, which is basically blown up Elantra/Sonata. It is going to hurt them vs all of the competition i posted. Way too much plastics compared to everyone else. It doesnt look to be in the same ballpark or class, and at the same time, it is priced that way.
That last pic was new Impala. All those cars are going to be on sale within few k of each other, and certainly people will cross shop it.
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While it's fine for fans of other brands to feel comfortable as CL is a great place, given that this is a Lexus board, it seems logical that Lexus and Toyota fans should feel a bit more comfortable than fans of other brands. This is very reasonable, especially if CL will never have a Toyota/Lexus Chat sub-forum.
Also, general Lexus/Toyota news is never posted in the model-specific sub-forums here on CL. So if there is general Lexus/Toyota news, then Toyota/Lexus fans have no choice other than Car Chat. Given this, it seems only fair that Lexus/Toyota fans have first priority in terms of feeling comfortable posting in Car Chat over fans of other brands.
Consistent negative jabs, or sly remarks against Lexus though? Happens all the time here on ClubLexus, with the majority of the comments always coming from the same group of members.
Members who own Lexus cars, yet consistently make negative jabs and sly remarks against Lexus. Makes you wonder the reasons why and what motives would people have for this?
I think Car Chat has actually become a bit of dull place for Lexus/Toyota fans.
I have spoken to several ex-CL members who stopped posting on CL because they felt there were too many jabs and remarks against Lexus occurring without reasonable cause, mostly from the same people on Car Chat.
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Thought I was on a Hyundai forum for a sec
Or is there an extra effort to defend it? Are you saying the same thing about Lexus on non Lexus forums in regards to the crap Lexus gets?
This is a general theme of Hyundai threads. For whatever reasons the negative or feedback not complimentary of the brand completely overshadows the good comments.
For example, this happens all the time in Hyundai/Kia threads
Lexus fan on a Lexus fansite
1. Wow not bad looking
2. I like the new interiors
3. Wow nice stock wheels
4. MPG, I don't really think the numbers are not accurate
5. Price is decent
6. I like the rear
Then person comes in, skips 5 positive comments and picks out #4 to btich about like a 3 year old
"MPG is fine, owners are saying 70 MPG on this site no one heard of before"
Then we get the
"You just hate Hyundai/Kia, Lexus is in trouble blah blah blah"
This is a general theme of Hyundai threads. For whatever reasons the negative or feedback not complimentary of the brand completely overshadows the good comments.
For example, this happens all the time in Hyundai/Kia threads
Lexus fan on a Lexus fansite
1. Wow not bad looking
2. I like the new interiors
3. Wow nice stock wheels
4. MPG, I don't really think the numbers are not accurate
5. Price is decent
6. I like the rear
Then person comes in, skips 5 positive comments and picks out #4 to btich about like a 3 year old
"MPG is fine, owners are saying 70 MPG on this site no one heard of before"
Then we get the
"You just hate Hyundai/Kia, Lexus is in trouble blah blah blah"
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^Great post
To think that Car Chat is just supposed to be some random anomaly on a Lexus forum, where people from all over the interet are going to come register on ClubLexus to talk about Nissan, Ford, Chevrolet, Fiat, etc, is really kind of foolish IMO. Most of the people who frequent this forum are current Lexus owners or ex-Lexus owners who came to CL when they were driving one. Does everything here need to be pro-Lexus? No, but the anti-Lexus jabs and repeated attemps by certain members to "level the playing field" for Lexus is really dragging down the morale IMO.
Maybe we need to create a "General Lexus Discussion" forum since, to your point, most people really don't post the same types of things in the model-specific forums that they do in Car Chat.
To think that Car Chat is just supposed to be some random anomaly on a Lexus forum, where people from all over the interet are going to come register on ClubLexus to talk about Nissan, Ford, Chevrolet, Fiat, etc, is really kind of foolish IMO. Most of the people who frequent this forum are current Lexus owners or ex-Lexus owners who came to CL when they were driving one. Does everything here need to be pro-Lexus? No, but the anti-Lexus jabs and repeated attemps by certain members to "level the playing field" for Lexus is really dragging down the morale IMO.
Maybe we need to create a "General Lexus Discussion" forum since, to your point, most people really don't post the same types of things in the model-specific forums that they do in Car Chat.
Edit: bitkahuna just answered regarding the sub-forum idea above.
yes, we concluded it wasn't needed and that there would just be double posting
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again, it's unfortunate, but you can't please everyone. i'd say Car Chat has become a lot more diverse in content and opinions in recent years, and for some they might not like that.
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again, it's unfortunate, but you can't please everyone. i'd say Car Chat has become a lot more diverse in content and opinions in recent years, and for some they might not like that.
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