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Old Dec 13, 2010 | 05:58 AM
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Imagine a bunch of turbo I-4s running along in Texas when F1 comes back here . Can't say they will be thrilled in the land where "bigger is better".

Gengar hit it on the head, it isn't a "green" sport but rather an elitist "Green with money" sport so why pretend?
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Old Dec 13, 2010 | 06:31 AM
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'green F1' is an oxymoron.
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Old Dec 13, 2010 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Marzabella
A1GP? They would be in the hands of receivers trying to get what money they can. That ain't going to happen. Funny thing is though no one is claiming that the engine change is to cut costs, far from it, going to be pricey to re-engineer everything.
I full well know this.

And yes, designing another engine from the ground up is going to be very, very costly. The FIA seems dead set on Killing F1

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Ya, seems every day I'm getting happier that I decided to buy the LFA. Cars like this simply may not exist in the rather near future.
very true.

Originally Posted by projectdna
combined with KERS (kinetic energy recovery system), the move from normally-aspirated v8's to turbocharged inline 4's can be seen as a "green" initiative by formula one.
There is nothing "Green" about KERS.

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'green F1' is an oxymoron.
This.
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Old Dec 13, 2010 | 08:41 AM
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I want the V10s back
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Old Dec 13, 2010 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by projectdna
case in point, historically-successful teams such as ferrari and mclaren have operating budgets in excess of $50M - and that may not even guarantee a winning formula (see: red bull racing).
Just FYI, you missed a 0 here. I think Ferrari cut F1 spending in recent years but regularly spent over $500 million per year through the mid-2000s including their dominant years. Toyota regularly spent close to $500 million per year in during its short foray into F1.
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Old Dec 13, 2010 | 01:44 PM
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Holy crap, 500 millions spending? Does Ferrari even sell that many cars to be able to waste such huge amount of their profits on F1?
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Old Dec 13, 2010 | 01:54 PM
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Ferrari spends like 400m, I remember Toyota had the biggest spend in F1 with like 458m or something like that.

Roughly 50% of the budge is in engine development :/
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Old Dec 13, 2010 | 03:08 PM
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Holy crap, 500 millions spending? Does Ferrari even sell that many cars to be able to waste such huge amount of their profits on F1?
No, they definitely don't. But don't forget sponsorship - Marlboro paid around $150 million a year to be lead sponsor and get their name on the team (hope they're not paying that much these days!), and Ferrari has a boatload of other sponsors like Shell, Puma, AMD, Acer, etc. - and also absurdly overpriced merchandising, which Ferrari has been capitalizing on lately what with opening all sorts of Ferrari stores throughout the world.
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Old Dec 13, 2010 | 03:10 PM
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The tv revenue is also split amongst teams, because if you think about it, running a F1 team must generate income since Red bull's founder is only worth like 2 billion, and their latest cost data shows the team spends 200m+ a year, at this rate it will take 10 years before red bull's founder go homeless
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Old Dec 13, 2010 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Och
Holy crap, 500 millions spending? Does Ferrari even sell that many cars to be able to waste such huge amount of their profits on F1?
Without actually being able to verify this properly, I've read several times that Ferrari SpA make substantially larger profits from merchandise and licensing than they do selling cars
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Old Dec 13, 2010 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MR_F1
There is nothing "Green" about KERS.
quite possibly, as i still don't fully understand the technology behind KERS.

i suppose any method of making additional power without an increase in fuel consumption can be considered "green" (in the most liberal sense, mind you).

but that's just me.

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Just FYI, you missed a 0 here. I think Ferrari cut F1 spending in recent years but regularly spent over $500 million per year through the mid-2000s including their dominant years. Toyota regularly spent close to $500 million per year in during its short foray into F1.
i should've added this to clarify (from http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9290.html):

Formula One racing’s governing body, the FIA, has revised its budget cap plans for 2010. Teams signing up for the optional cap must limit their spending to £40 million per year (£10 million higher than originally proposed) in exchange for greater technical freedom. This will not include driver salaries or, for 2010 only, engine costs.
of course, that excludes:

-Marketing and hospitality;
-Remuneration for test or race drivers, including any young driver programmes;
-Fines or penalties imposed by the FIA;
-Engine costs (for 2010 only);
-Any expenditure which the team can demonstrate has no influence on its performance in the Championship;
-Dividends (including any tax thereon) paid from profits relating to participation in the Championship.
but looking around, the reputed numbers do show an atmospheric level of spending by the formula 1 teams (as i've said in my prevoius post). as such, adding a zero behind the number i posted earlier isn't unrealistic.

however, any move to help cap team spending and the cost of entry is a sign that formula one wants to try to lower the main barrier of entry: cost.

(actually, that's the second barrier of entry; bernie ecclestone is the first one. )
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Old Dec 13, 2010 | 10:08 PM
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The beginning of the end for Formula 1...



I suppose F1 will eventually turn into this,

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Old Dec 13, 2010 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave600hL

I suppose F1 will eventually turn into this,

hahaha...
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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mikez
Ferrari spends like 400m, I remember Toyota had the biggest spend in F1 with like 458m or something like that.

Roughly 50% of the budge is in engine development :/
I've heard it rumored that Toyota's budget was not as big as some claimed, and actually closer to the $250 million range. Bigger budget of course in the beginning years to tool up, develop then engines and expand the factory at cologne.

Be it so or not, Ferrari, McLaren, Honda and Toyota would have had operating budgets at about $400 million / year.

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hahaha...
lol lol.. i'd have lost it if that bike actually skid out of control
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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 12:21 PM
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1.8L V8....did it also use moped pistons?
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