Originally Posted by IS-SV

Murano is certainly another one.

Originally Posted by mmarshall

True, but the problem with the Murano is that the first-gen model was not that impressive either.....IMO, it was ugly and had a very poor-quality interior. The 2Gen model, to its credit, solved many of the interior quality problems, but still kept the basic Geeky-looking exterior.

Originally Posted by Och

So we recently had a thread on most improved redesigns, which included cars like the Escalade that went from rather unimpressive rebadges to become very successful, well selling redesigns.

So I though I'd make a thread for the most disappointing redesigns. I'll start off with a couple of my choices. They aren't in any particular oder, just listing them.

1) Current Acura TL. No doubt the drivetrain has improved, with the available SH-AWD, but the car is priced way out of its range and has been hit with the ugly stick.

2) The 2nd gen Q45. While the original Q45 was never a hot seller, it was a marvelous machine. It featured things like Active supension, 4 wheel steering, 4.5L DOHC V8 engine featuring variable timing technology, forged crank and rods, 6 bolt main bearing caps, maintenance free timing chain. Unheard of for its times, and boy, did it move! The 2nd gen Q45 however was based on a cheaper Nissan Cima platform and less advanced and less powerful 4.1L v8.

3) The current GS. While in many way it is better than the 2nd gen GS, many of the 2GS enthusiasts, such as myself, find the 3GS bland and unoriginal.

4) The current 5 series. I am probably the biggest BMW hater on the internet, but even I have to admit that the last 5 series was seriously gorgeous. The bangled version isnt a bad looking car on its own, but its nowhere near as good looking as the model it replaced.


5) Acura RSX. This is probably the biggest disappointment for me, because I've always loved the Integra it replaced. Especially the Type-R variant. The Integra had a gorgeous, timeless design, sporty suspension, high revving engine, and was generally well built. RSX however was cheapened down in many ways, featured an uninspiring suspension, more powerful but less lively engine, and didn't look half as good.

So guys, what are your opinions on this?

Originally Posted by joe80

don't agree with 5 series comment. it's a ground breaking design. it's one of those designs that changed the industry. it was so far ahead of the time IMO.

Originally Posted by Och

So we recently had a thread on most improved redesigns, which included cars like the Escalade that went from rather unimpressive rebadges to become very successful, well selling redesigns.

So I though I'd make a thread for the most disappointing redesigns. I'll start off with a couple of my choices. They aren't in any particular oder, just listing them.

1) Current Acura TL. No doubt the drivetrain has improved, with the available SH-AWD, but the car is priced way out of its range and has been hit with the ugly stick.

2) The 2nd gen Q45. While the original Q45 was never a hot seller, it was a marvelous machine. It featured things like Active supension, 4 wheel steering, 4.5L DOHC V8 engine featuring variable timing technology, forged crank and rods, 6 bolt main bearing caps, maintenance free timing chain. Unheard of for its times, and boy, did it move! The 2nd gen Q45 however was based on a cheaper Nissan Cima platform and less advanced and less powerful 4.1L v8.

3) The current GS. While in many way it is better than the 2nd gen GS, many of the 2GS enthusiasts, such as myself, find the 3GS bland and unoriginal.

4) The current 5 series. I am probably the biggest BMW hater on the internet, but even I have to admit that the last 5 series was seriously gorgeous. The bangled version isnt a bad looking car on its own, but its nowhere near as good looking as the model it replaced.


5) Acura RSX. This is probably the biggest disappointment for me, because I've always loved the Integra it replaced. Especially the Type-R variant. The Integra had a gorgeous, timeless design, sporty suspension, high revving engine, and was generally well built. RSX however was cheapened down in many ways, featured an uninspiring suspension, more powerful but less lively engine, and didn't look half as good.

So guys, what are your opinions on this?