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Old Feb 22, 2009 | 05:57 PM
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I bought a car last year. 08 G35 sedan. Purchased it brand new.

About 2 months ago it started to give small signs of hesitation while starting on very cold days (when temps were under 20* or so) ONLY ON VERY COLD DAYS. I would start just fine but would jerk a little. Then one day it didnt start the first time and then started right up the second time. Once the warmed up a little and I took it on the road it will not go over 5 MPH. I turned around and came back home a took my other sedan. I didn't think much of it at the point. But then it started doing it almost every day after it was sitting for few hours, it would start up funny and then not drive over 5 MPH for miles until it was completely warmed up. On warm days it was fine, so anyway I took it to the dealer about month and half ago.

So my car has been there for well over a month, yet they still have not been able to diagnose it, so they haven't been able to fix it yet. They have replaced many things, such as TPS, ECUs, even the throttle bodies and other stuff, but no results. Since there is no error code, they have no clue whats wrong with it so they are just taking guesses.

I guess their office from TN and IL is involved as well, but even they have no clue.

Its gonna be spring soon and temps are going to rising. Since the car only acts up on cold days, I am afraid they are just going to assume its fixed and give it back to me in spring. I do not want to deal with it the next year, so my question is, would something like that qualify it as a lemon? If so what should I do next?
I love the car, hate to trade for another one, but I do not want to go through any more hassle that shouldn't have to.

I would appreciate any help.
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Old Feb 22, 2009 | 06:31 PM
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bring it back to the dealer if they cant fix it with in three trys the try the lemon law it works my fam got a new caddy srx fully loaded and the car they had before was a lower model they have to replace it with the same or better
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Old Feb 22, 2009 | 07:52 PM
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I think Lemon law says if you have to take your vehicle back three times for the same problem then the vehicle could be considered a "Lemon". Check out the Lemon Laws for your state. The laws vary a little from state to state.
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Old Feb 22, 2009 | 11:18 PM
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The lemon laws for your state are listed in your manual. I got one in mine. I had a G35 sedan before my Lexus and I remeber having an issue they couldn't figure out for a while as well and I was told by the service manager ...." we are still learning the car". I laughed and told the guy well maybe I will just take my car to PEP BOYS AUTO and have Manny, Moe , and Jack fix it. Little thing like this is why I ended up going with the Lexus even though it was more expensive and didn't handle as well.
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Old Feb 23, 2009 | 09:52 AM
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Ohio Lemon Law

Lemon Law

Ohio legislators passed one of the most comprehensive lemon laws in the nation in 1987. It requires automakers to repair defects that affect the use, value, or safety of a new motor vehicle within the first 12 months or 18,000 miles (whichever comes first). If you are having problems with your NEW purchased or leased vehicle, you should immediately take it to an authorized dealer for repair.

The automaker or dealer must be given a reasonable opportunity to fix the problem, and if the problem is not corrected, you might be eligible for a refund or replacement. You are covered by this law even if the problem was discovered late in the protection period and the repair attempts extend beyond one year or 18,000 miles. Failure to comply with parts of Ohio's Lemon Law is a violation of Ohio's Consumer Sales Practices Act.
Yeah I think my car is a lemon.
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Old Feb 23, 2009 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by I8ABMR
The lemon laws for your state are listed in your manual. I got one in mine. I had a G35 sedan before my Lexus and I remeber having an issue they couldn't figure out for a while as well and I was told by the service manager ...." we are still learning the car". I laughed and told the guy well maybe I will just take my car to PEP BOYS AUTO and have Manny, Moe , and Jack fix it. Little thing like this is why I ended up going with the Lexus even though it was more expensive and didn't handle as well.
Wow, thats same crap they are giving me.

And yes Lexus indeed has a better product and service. I have a Lexus GS that I have never had any issues with, car is almost 4 years old. Prior to my current Lexus I had another one that I drove for 160K miles with no issues whatsoever.

I actually really like driving the G35, and I don't think Infiniti has any majors issues with this car, but this particular car is a lemon I feel.
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Originally Posted by CBG
I think Lemon law says if you have to take your vehicle back three times for the same problem then the vehicle could be considered a "Lemon". Check out the Lemon Laws for your state. The laws vary a little from state to state.
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it differs state yo state. i'd get a consultation with a lawyer that spcializes in lemon law claims quick. they prob wont carge for an initial meeting.
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Old Feb 23, 2009 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
it differs state yo state. i'd get a consultation with a lawyer that spcializes in lemon law claims quick. they prob wont carge for an initial meeting.
Yes, I am going to do this after meeting with the general manager later on today. I hope to find a solution with the dealer, if not, I am having an attorney handle it.
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Did they look at or replace the Coolant-Temperature Sensor? it sounds like the fuel injectors (which are programmed by the CTS) aren't doing their job, and it is running much too lean.

On very cold days, some automatic transmissions will delay upshifting into certain gears until they are partly-warm....that, often, is normal.
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Old Feb 23, 2009 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Did they look at or replace the Coolant-Temperature Sensor? it sounds like the fuel injectors (which are programmed by the CTS) aren't doing their job, and it is running much too lean.

On very cold days, some automatic transmissions will delay upshifting into certain gears until they are partly-warm....that, often, is normal.
I am not sure if they have replaced those. But the car will not even let you rev the engine. So I don't think its even trying to shift to the next gear.
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If you really like the car, how about asking them to trade yours for a similar one off the lot that doesn't have the problems?
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i went through the lemon law myself.

best thing to do is explain your case to a lemon lawyer, and see what he thinks.

in my state, there's also a time limit- like 30 total out of service days or something. after that, you've got enough leverage to pawn the car back to the car maker.

usually the car mfgr won't give you any fuss about taking the car back after they receive the attorney's letter. But the process takes about a month.
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Originally Posted by DaveGS4
If you really like the car, how about asking them to trade yours for a similar one off the lot that doesn't have the problems?
I will most likely ask them replace if that are unable to fix it soon.
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Old Feb 23, 2009 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dunnojack
i went through the lemon law myself.

best thing to do is explain your case to a lemon lawyer, and see what he thinks.

in my state, there's also a time limit- like 30 total out of service days or something. after that, you've got enough leverage to pawn the car back to the car maker.

usually the car mfgr won't give you any fuss about taking the car back after they receive the attorney's letter. But the process takes about a month.
Interesting.

car has been in the shop for about 40 some days now. I am going to contact a lawyer if Dealer doesn't come back to me tomorrow.
I just spoke to the service manager few minutes ago, he said 'no luck'
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Originally Posted by Jujharoo
I am not sure if they have replaced those. But the car will not even let you rev the engine. So I don't think its even trying to shift to the next gear.
Was the dealer able to duplicate this condition resulting in them replacing the TB, ECU etc or did they just replace random parts?
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