Lexus GS-F is coming
12-05-08, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by encore888
IMO the GS-F is a great idea, any maybe an LS-F, but if the GS-F gets a V10, what does the LS-F get--the same?
12-05-08, 03:07 PM
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While I do see the point of your post, I do not necessarily agree about the ISF.
Now that the hype has worn off, it is even more clear what a great car the ISF really is (IMO). It didn't just go through some initial reviews and then drop off the radar. This car is great, and because of that it has staying power.
It really has hung with both the M3 and C63 in every single comparo and has bested both of them in some tests. You win some tests, you lose some tests, but the fact that you're in every one with significant praise means that you've made it.
The M3 has a peaky engine and somewhat "hyper" driving dynamics.
The C63 has a super cheap interior.
The ISF has its flaws too, but so do the others.
It's just different from the BMW and Mercedes, which it had to be. Otherwise it was going to be seen as an imitator when in reality, Lexus did something that was different than the others but just as good. The IS-F has stamped its name on the top of the hill, right next to the M3 and C63. They did a great job with the car, and I think they will have similar success with future F products.
Now that the hype has worn off, it is even more clear what a great car the ISF really is (IMO). It didn't just go through some initial reviews and then drop off the radar. This car is great, and because of that it has staying power.
It really has hung with both the M3 and C63 in every single comparo and has bested both of them in some tests. You win some tests, you lose some tests, but the fact that you're in every one with significant praise means that you've made it.
The M3 has a peaky engine and somewhat "hyper" driving dynamics.
The C63 has a super cheap interior.
The ISF has its flaws too, but so do the others.
It's just different from the BMW and Mercedes, which it had to be. Otherwise it was going to be seen as an imitator when in reality, Lexus did something that was different than the others but just as good. The IS-F has stamped its name on the top of the hill, right next to the M3 and C63. They did a great job with the car, and I think they will have similar success with future F products.
12-05-08, 03:15 PM
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M3 interiors looks exactly like the regular 3er, C63 interiors looks exactly like the regular C and RS4 interior looks exactly like the A4 so what was your point?
How did the first AMG C fair against the mighty M3? In my opinion Lexus did much better with their "first-ever" IS F than MB did with their "first-ever" C-class AMG. Not to mention that the IS F isn't designed from the ground up like the M3 and C63, it was started by several Lexus engineers on their own spare times WITHOUT PAY!!
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12-05-08, 03:31 PM
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IS-F, yes. GS-F, maybe, but I can't see much of a market for an LS-F. The chassis would be too stiff for the people who generally shop for, and buy, the LS, and the interior trim would probably lack wood......another LS hallmark.
The IS gets away with it because it is in the Lexus lineup as a sport-sedan model to start with. The GS might get away with it (time will tell) because it aims at a less conservative crowd than the LS. Maybe Henry or Andrew, among the LS enthusiasts here, might give one a look, but, in general, I just don't see much of a market for an LS-F. It would end up being like the VW Phaeton.
An argument, though, can be made that Mercedes manages to sell its top-line S-class cars in AMG form.....why not Lexus? True, but as I see it, it's apples and oranges. The type of driving that AMG models invite is more ingrained into those who buy upmarket German sedans than those of Lexus.
The IS gets away with it because it is in the Lexus lineup as a sport-sedan model to start with. The GS might get away with it (time will tell) because it aims at a less conservative crowd than the LS. Maybe Henry or Andrew, among the LS enthusiasts here, might give one a look, but, in general, I just don't see much of a market for an LS-F. It would end up being like the VW Phaeton.
An argument, though, can be made that Mercedes manages to sell its top-line S-class cars in AMG form.....why not Lexus? True, but as I see it, it's apples and oranges. The type of driving that AMG models invite is more ingrained into those who buy upmarket German sedans than those of Lexus.
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12-05-08, 03:32 PM
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That's precisely what I suggested (very tongue-in-cheek, of course) back on April 1 in this Front Page story for the LexusF.com website:
http://www.lexusf.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238
http://www.lexusf.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238
12-05-08, 03:32 PM
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How did the first AMG C fair against the mighty M3? In my opinion Lexus did much better with their "first-ever" IS F than MB did with their "first-ever" C-class AMG. Not to mention that the IS F isn't designed from the ground up like the M3 and C63, it was started by several Lexus engineers on their own spare times WITHOUT PAY!!
I take everything into account, including attention to detail, where the IS-F fails in my mind. Compare the engine compartment of the Audi and Lexus. Audi has painted headers and real cabon fiber. The Lexus is a big mess of black plastic and wires. Tisk tisk. Maybe next time they will do it better.
In this class, Lexus needs to learn that attention matters. Subtle details, however small, are crucial to the overall package of the vehicle. The above picture shows the apparent motivation to create a truely beautiful automobile. Disparity between German and Japanese engineers I suppose.
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12-05-08, 03:36 PM
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what about the SC-F???
i wonder if a IS (convertable/coupe) -F is being considered?
i think im more excited about the redesign of the SC and the GS more than seeing the F badge get expanded to new cars..
i wonder if a IS (convertable/coupe) -F is being considered?
i think im more excited about the redesign of the SC and the GS more than seeing the F badge get expanded to new cars..
12-05-08, 03:44 PM
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Dude, I am done discussing with you until you actually went to a Lexus dealership, actually sat in an IS F and compared its interior to the standard IS...
This is ridiculous...
I take everything into account, including attention to detail, where the IS-F fails in my mind. Compare the engine compartment of the Audi and Lexus. Audi has painted headers and real cabon fiber. The Lexus is a big mess of black plastic and wires. Tisk tisk. Maybe next time they will do it better.
12-05-08, 03:47 PM
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Why is the 3GS not more succesful? I think its an awesome looking car, IMO its the original 4 door coupe. Plus Lexus quality and technology. And the new 350 and 460 engines are great. Why is it outsold so much by 5 series and E class? I really don't see what those two have to offer that GS doesn't.
12-05-08, 03:53 PM
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Performance. Pure and simple.
the GS400 was the fastest sedan at one time which totally blew its competitors out of the water. The 3GS pretty much did everything good but nothing spectacular. The competitors (especially the 5er and M) caught up but the 3GS did not improve as much.
the GS400 was the fastest sedan at one time which totally blew its competitors out of the water. The 3GS pretty much did everything good but nothing spectacular. The competitors (especially the 5er and M) caught up but the 3GS did not improve as much.