I agree that there probably won't be a GS-F for the 3GS - Wouldn't be enough volume based on current GS sales. If a GS-F represented 10% of currrent GS sales, it would only be around 100 cars per month total. Maybe with the 4GS..

 

i am kind of believe it when it's here, though i am also pretty sure it will come (ls-f i am not sure though)

500hp sounds right, otherwise might as well not do it coz' m5 and e63 will eat it alive

 

sounds pretty serious.

 

Where are the spy vids/photos of the 4th gen? It gets boring counting sheep..

 

They usually try to keep their new products "secret" for as long as possible , so I don't expect ot see any 4GS spy shots in the near future ...

 

While I do see the point of your post, I do not necessarily agree about the ISF.

Now that the hype has worn off, it is even more clear what a great car the ISF really is (IMO). It didn't just go through some initial reviews and then drop off the radar. This car is great, and because of that it has staying power.

It really has hung with both the M3 and C63 in every single comparo and has bested both of them in some tests. You win some tests, you lose some tests, but the fact that you're in every one with significant praise means that you've made it.

The M3 has a peaky engine and somewhat "hyper" driving dynamics.

The C63 has a super cheap interior.

The ISF has its flaws too, but so do the others.

It's just different from the BMW and Mercedes, which it had to be. Otherwise it was going to be seen as an imitator when in reality, Lexus did something that was different than the others but just as good. The IS-F has stamped its name on the top of the hill, right next to the M3 and C63. They did a great job with the car, and I think they will have similar success with future F products.

 

Exactly. Lexus is always tight lipped about product and some of the best in the industry to keep it hidden.

 

So, this could be the GS-F in camo testing and we would not know it?

 

Thats the new BMW X8 xdrive I-drive AWD extra long name Unsport No utility vehicle

 

I wonder if Lexus is going to go the same route next time around with sedan intros, GS-IS-LS-ES...?

IMO the GS-F is a great idea, any maybe an LS-F, but if the GS-F gets a V10, what does the LS-F get--the same?

 

Yes. And the Audi RS4 as well. What must be noted, however, is that it's based on sedan numbers ONLY. In other words, when you compare IS F sales numbers to BMW M3 4-door sedan numbers ONLY, the IS F leads in sales in the U.S., but if you add all 3 BMW M3 body styles together (sedan/coupe/convertible), then the BMW leads in sales.

The same goes for the Audi, although I'd venture a guess that, in that case, The Lexus leads even if you add up Audi RS4 sedan plus cabrio sales.

 

m3 sedan sales are not good at all, deals are even better than that on the coupe. on the coupe, bmw was too confident about their sales thus all the initial markup, they suffered towards the end when 09 was here and them stuck with tons of 08

 

all have 5-6 year cycle, so yes, no other way around it.

 

i have my doubts that GS-F will be V10... it makes sense for it to be more serious sports hybrid sedan - V8+ 3rd gen hybrid system...

 

If Lexus really wants some excitement in the brand they could give us more coupe options. A GS coupe would be the coolest car. Big sized coupe with 500hp. No need for retracting top, just a serious coupe with power. Glorious...simply glorious!