how to keep like-new car performance?
i was just reading Edmund's long term review of the newer honda accord v6.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..5.*
Performance and Fuel Economy
From a performance perspective, the 3,500-pound Accord is sportier than in years past, but showed some signs of aging after 20,000 miles of dutiful service.
Acceleration to 60 mph from a standstill required 7 seconds (with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) when new, but grew to 7.8 seconds by the Accord's final test. Quarter-mile times slowed from 15.3 seconds at 95.4 mph to 15.8 seconds at 90.3 mph.
What could they have they done wrong to see such a performance drop in a 1 yr old car?
(I want to keep my GS in tiptop shape and not lose 1 second accelerating on the freeway.)
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..5.*
Performance and Fuel Economy
From a performance perspective, the 3,500-pound Accord is sportier than in years past, but showed some signs of aging after 20,000 miles of dutiful service.
Acceleration to 60 mph from a standstill required 7 seconds (with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) when new, but grew to 7.8 seconds by the Accord's final test. Quarter-mile times slowed from 15.3 seconds at 95.4 mph to 15.8 seconds at 90.3 mph.
What could they have they done wrong to see such a performance drop in a 1 yr old car?
(I want to keep my GS in tiptop shape and not lose 1 second accelerating on the freeway.)
With a new vehicle, it also starts with a proper break-in. The better that piston rings, cylinder walls, bearings, valve seals, brake pads, and rotors seat properly to start with, the fewer potential problems you will have down the road, especially with oil consumption and emissions.
Wind and road noise are well isolated. But sometimes this bland personality lulls its driver into going down the road on mental autopilot.
The Accord is so quiet, comfortable and smooth on the road you don't get a sense of how fast you are really going. It's easy to drive over the limit without realizing it."
The Accord is so quiet, comfortable and smooth on the road you don't get a sense of how fast you are really going. It's easy to drive over the limit without realizing it."
Last edited by mmarshall; Dec 2, 2008 at 05:13 AM.
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I also think since the Edmunds editors and writers and staff know that it isn't their car...they just drive it like hell while they have it--which probably isn't too conducive for the preservation of the car...
Well, if Edmunds overdoes it with a new car, then that's on them. Even the gung-ho enthusiasts at organizations like Car and Driver/Road and Track magazine take it easy for the first thousand miles or so. On the long-term/ Four Seasons test, they will often put up to 50K or 60K miles on it, if the car is popular with the magazine's staff. They don't want to be saddled with repairs and unscheduled dealer visits any more than the average car-buyer does.
Very good thread. I love threads like this one.
Isn't Edmunds biased site though? I don't really like that site much. I didn't read the whole thing there but my questions below are:
- Did they use the same driver? or a driver with same body weight?
- Same tire pressure?
- Worn/ defective spark plugs and wires?
- Dirty valves and/ or fuel lines?
- Same weather condition (temp/ BP/ altitude)?
- Same amount of gas in the tank?
Even though it got 20k miles anything could've happened.
But anyways, I remember a while back somewhere they tested out the E46 M3 when it was new, and tested it when it reached 20k miles, and then 45k miles. IIRC, the acceleration performance peaked the highest after a full break-in. The performance started to drop at 45k miles in 0-60 and quarter mile tests.
Also based on my experience I do believe the car lose acceleration performance over time, starting around 40k miles or so. Don't take my words for it as I don't have the full proof and sufficient amount of data to back up...
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Isn't Edmunds biased site though? I don't really like that site much. I didn't read the whole thing there but my questions below are:
- Did they use the same driver? or a driver with same body weight?
- Same tire pressure?
- Worn/ defective spark plugs and wires?
- Dirty valves and/ or fuel lines?
- Same weather condition (temp/ BP/ altitude)?
- Same amount of gas in the tank?
Even though it got 20k miles anything could've happened.
But anyways, I remember a while back somewhere they tested out the E46 M3 when it was new, and tested it when it reached 20k miles, and then 45k miles. IIRC, the acceleration performance peaked the highest after a full break-in. The performance started to drop at 45k miles in 0-60 and quarter mile tests.
Also based on my experience I do believe the car lose acceleration performance over time, starting around 40k miles or so. Don't take my words for it as I don't have the full proof and sufficient amount of data to back up...
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Good points all! I rather doubt the scientific accuracy of the tests conducted by Edmunds and many other reviewers because the results are often scattered all over the map. Ambient temperature, altitude, launch technique, and timing all can have considerable effects on track time - in addition to weight, fuel, and mechanical condition of the car.
After a good number of years' experience with commercial fleets, I've learned that a "company car" can be badly abused when it is driven by a number of employees. NOBODY bothers to care for it since it does not belong to anyone. If a fleet car is to survive, it has to be permanently assigned to one responsible individual who will take ownership in the vehicle and ensure it is properly maintained and driven with at least some amount of care.
Dumping a car into the motor pool often results in premature service issues. I once had a company 4WD pickup - I'd traded my company Maverick with a circuit-riding engineer who couldn't get the truck from one gas pump to the next after dark in rural Texas where the sidewalks roll up at sundown. The pickup had a spectacularly thirsty 350 V8 and was painted up with all the graphics of our TV station's news cruisers. It sported radios for every law enforcement agency in three counties and sprouting a forest of antennas, it looked like a tuna boat at high season. All of the lights and gumballs made it pretty hard to miss. Yes, it was a rolling embarrassment, the original Tijuana Taxi.
Not so embarrassing for Production Assistant who I let drive it for deliveries during the day. He'd time his run to arrive in front of his high school every day at noon and attempt 4-wheel burnouts for the appreciative little mouth-breathers in his class. After replacing the SECOND transfer case in six months, I snapped to the cause. The kid had no ownership in the vehicle - if he blew it up, so what? I quickly reassigned the truck back to the engineering department and drove my own car to work. Lesson learned. My PA could deliver those commercial tapes on a bicycle for all I cared.
Edmunds' Honda probably suffered the same kind of treatment at the hands of multiple staffers. Without one assigned driver taking responsibility for it, the car was probably abused beyond all reason . . . especially if it got into the hands of the interns.
After a good number of years' experience with commercial fleets, I've learned that a "company car" can be badly abused when it is driven by a number of employees. NOBODY bothers to care for it since it does not belong to anyone. If a fleet car is to survive, it has to be permanently assigned to one responsible individual who will take ownership in the vehicle and ensure it is properly maintained and driven with at least some amount of care.
Dumping a car into the motor pool often results in premature service issues. I once had a company 4WD pickup - I'd traded my company Maverick with a circuit-riding engineer who couldn't get the truck from one gas pump to the next after dark in rural Texas where the sidewalks roll up at sundown. The pickup had a spectacularly thirsty 350 V8 and was painted up with all the graphics of our TV station's news cruisers. It sported radios for every law enforcement agency in three counties and sprouting a forest of antennas, it looked like a tuna boat at high season. All of the lights and gumballs made it pretty hard to miss. Yes, it was a rolling embarrassment, the original Tijuana Taxi.
Not so embarrassing for Production Assistant who I let drive it for deliveries during the day. He'd time his run to arrive in front of his high school every day at noon and attempt 4-wheel burnouts for the appreciative little mouth-breathers in his class. After replacing the SECOND transfer case in six months, I snapped to the cause. The kid had no ownership in the vehicle - if he blew it up, so what? I quickly reassigned the truck back to the engineering department and drove my own car to work. Lesson learned. My PA could deliver those commercial tapes on a bicycle for all I cared.
Edmunds' Honda probably suffered the same kind of treatment at the hands of multiple staffers. Without one assigned driver taking responsibility for it, the car was probably abused beyond all reason . . . especially if it got into the hands of the interns.
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