GM expected to ask Toyota for help
GM expected to ask Toyota for help
http://www.reuters.com/article/merge...T7920920081029
DETROIT, Oct 29 (Reuters) - Struggling U.S. automaker General Motors Corp (GM.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) is expected to ask for Japanese rival Toyota Motor Corp's (7203.T: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) help in turning around its business, Kyodo News reported on Wednesday, citing sources familiar with the plan.
GM Chairman and Chief Executive Rick Wagoner is considering visiting Japan soon and meeting with Toyota's leadership to discuss the plan, Kyodo said, citing sources.
A GM spokesman was not immediately available for comment.
The Kyodo news report said Toyota was expected to consider quick fixes for the cash-strapped GM, including buying up its assets and helping it secure sufficient business funds.
The executives of the world's two biggest automakers may also discuss an expanded business partnership, including Toyota making fuel-efficient compact cars for GM and providing hybrid-car technologies to the U.S. carmaker, Kyodo said, citing sources.
GM has been in talks with Cerberus Capital Management since September about a merger with Chrysler LLC, the struggling No. 3 U.S. automaker owned by Cerberus.
GM Chairman and Chief Executive Rick Wagoner is considering visiting Japan soon and meeting with Toyota's leadership to discuss the plan, Kyodo said, citing sources.
A GM spokesman was not immediately available for comment.
The Kyodo news report said Toyota was expected to consider quick fixes for the cash-strapped GM, including buying up its assets and helping it secure sufficient business funds.
The executives of the world's two biggest automakers may also discuss an expanded business partnership, including Toyota making fuel-efficient compact cars for GM and providing hybrid-car technologies to the U.S. carmaker, Kyodo said, citing sources.
GM has been in talks with Cerberus Capital Management since September about a merger with Chrysler LLC, the struggling No. 3 U.S. automaker owned by Cerberus.
http://www.reuters.com/article/merge...T7920920081029
Toyota and Chevrolet had some dealings in the 80s.
Remember the Chevy Nova/Toyota Corolla compacts?
All to well since my dad had one then. It was amazing that GM used there suspension. Ride was not that good though handling was Toyota like.
Auto journalists called the cars "Toyolets"
Toyota should tell GM so pack sand.
Remember the Chevy Nova/Toyota Corolla compacts?
All to well since my dad had one then. It was amazing that GM used there suspension. Ride was not that good though handling was Toyota like.
Auto journalists called the cars "Toyolets"
Toyota should tell GM so pack sand.
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Vibe/Matrix and Corolla/Prism also come to mind. Toyota and GM have had a pretty good professional relationship for several years so I am sure that if GM really needs their help something will be worked out.
It will be interesting to see where this goes.
It will be interesting to see where this goes.
The reason why many Japanese manufactures teamed up with American car makers was to avoid the high tariffs and other trade restrictions they were facing. Many created alliances like you see today.
IMO, GM and Chrysler need to go under so they can restructure. Factors such as the unions are causing the auto manufactures a world of hurt. You could make the argument that this will hurt the US economy in the large auto maker states such as Michigan, Indiana, and others, but we need to put a limit on bailing out companies. Leman was bailed out because that had a huge implication worldwide. If GM and Chrysler go under, it will affect the US more.
IMO, GM and Chrysler need to go under so they can restructure. Factors such as the unions are causing the auto manufactures a world of hurt. You could make the argument that this will hurt the US economy in the large auto maker states such as Michigan, Indiana, and others, but we need to put a limit on bailing out companies. Leman was bailed out because that had a huge implication worldwide. If GM and Chrysler go under, it will affect the US more.
anyway, apparently, its false report and GM denies asking Toyota for help
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According to the report, GM sounded out Toyota on the possibility of GM chairman Rick Wagoner meeting with Toyota's leadership in Japan soon, but Toyota declined the offer, Japan's Kyodo News quoted unnamed sources as saying.
GM was believed to have asked for assistance including the purchase of its assets to help it raise cash, the report said.
GM spokesman Tom Wilkinson said the two companies held talks "on a regular basis" as part of their joint venture operating a manufacturing plant in California for the past 25 years.
Any suggestion GM and Toyota were preparing to expand their cooperation was "pure speculation," he said.
The Japanese automaker also denied it had been approached by GM, saying in a brief statement: "There's no truth in the report."
GM, which lost $15.5 billion in the second quarter, has shed tens of thousands of jobs in recent years.
Earlier Wednesday, GM reported its worldwide sales fell 11.4% in the third quarter from a year ago to 2.115 million vehicles, leaving the U.S. automaker behind Toyota as the industry leader.
The Detroit giant, struggling in the face of tough economic conditions in North America and fierce competition, remained behind Japanese-based Toyota, which reported sales of 2.236 million vehicles in the quarter.
GM, the longtime global leader, fell behind Toyota in the first quarter of 2008.
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According to the report, GM sounded out Toyota on the possibility of GM chairman Rick Wagoner meeting with Toyota's leadership in Japan soon, but Toyota declined the offer, Japan's Kyodo News quoted unnamed sources as saying.
GM was believed to have asked for assistance including the purchase of its assets to help it raise cash, the report said.
GM spokesman Tom Wilkinson said the two companies held talks "on a regular basis" as part of their joint venture operating a manufacturing plant in California for the past 25 years.
Any suggestion GM and Toyota were preparing to expand their cooperation was "pure speculation," he said.
The Japanese automaker also denied it had been approached by GM, saying in a brief statement: "There's no truth in the report."
GM, which lost $15.5 billion in the second quarter, has shed tens of thousands of jobs in recent years.
Earlier Wednesday, GM reported its worldwide sales fell 11.4% in the third quarter from a year ago to 2.115 million vehicles, leaving the U.S. automaker behind Toyota as the industry leader.
The Detroit giant, struggling in the face of tough economic conditions in North America and fierce competition, remained behind Japanese-based Toyota, which reported sales of 2.236 million vehicles in the quarter.
GM, the longtime global leader, fell behind Toyota in the first quarter of 2008.
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The reason why many Japanese manufactures teamed up with American car makers was to avoid the high tariffs and other trade restrictions they were facing. Many created alliances like you see today.
IMO, GM and Chrysler need to go under so they can restructure. Factors such as the unions are causing the auto manufactures a world of hurt. You could make the argument that this will hurt the US economy in the large auto maker states such as Michigan, Indiana, and others, but we need to put a limit on bailing out companies. Leman was bailed out because that had a huge implication worldwide. If GM and Chrysler go under, it will affect the US more.
IMO, GM and Chrysler need to go under so they can restructure. Factors such as the unions are causing the auto manufactures a world of hurt. You could make the argument that this will hurt the US economy in the large auto maker states such as Michigan, Indiana, and others, but we need to put a limit on bailing out companies. Leman was bailed out because that had a huge implication worldwide. If GM and Chrysler go under, it will affect the US more.

The 3 Americans have something like 2 million UAW workers, that are getting paid benefits, a solution to the Americans not going under is 1, do away with the unions and 2, make cars Americans want
The reason why many Japanese manufactures teamed up with American car makers was to avoid the high tariffs and other trade restrictions they were facing. Many created alliances like you see today.
IMO, GM and Chrysler need to go under so they can restructure. Factors such as the unions are causing the auto manufactures a world of hurt. You could make the argument that this will hurt the US economy in the large auto maker states such as Michigan, Indiana, and others, but we need to put a limit on bailing out companies. Leman was bailed out because that had a huge implication worldwide. If GM and Chrysler go under, it will affect the US more.
IMO, GM and Chrysler need to go under so they can restructure. Factors such as the unions are causing the auto manufactures a world of hurt. You could make the argument that this will hurt the US economy in the large auto maker states such as Michigan, Indiana, and others, but we need to put a limit on bailing out companies. Leman was bailed out because that had a huge implication worldwide. If GM and Chrysler go under, it will affect the US more.
Not sure why you think losing 3 million + jobs in this economy will help, UAW work force has been trimmed so much in the last few years they almost don't factor into GM's issues, they run much deeper, and btw Lehman was NOT bailed out and it's widely believed that sparked the current economic crisis, we live in a global economy, bankrupt US automakers will be felt around the world.
from NY Times:
White House Explores Aid for Auto Deal
By EDMUND L. ANDREWS and BILL VLASIC
Published: October 27, 2008
WASHINGTON — The Bush administration is examining a range of options for providing emergency financial help to spur a merger between General Motors and Chrysler, according to government officials.
People familiar with the discussions said the administration wanted to provide financial assistance to the deeply troubled Big Three Detroit automakers, possibly by using the Treasury Department’s wide-ranging authority under the $700 billion bailout program that Congress approved this month.
Another option under consideration is to tap a $25 billion loan program that Congress just created to help the auto companies modernize their plants. A third option would involve going back to Congress, immediately after the Nov. 4 election, for authority to spend funds aimed specifically at the auto industry. But officials have not yet decided how much assistance to provide or how to structure any aid program.
G.M. and the parent of Chrysler, Cerberus Capital Management, are in talks to possibly merge the two companies, which are losing sales and hemorrhaging cash. People close to the talks said G.M. needs between $5 billion and $10 billion in assistance, mainly to cover G.M.’s own needs between now and the time of the merger.
Any financial help from the government could help provide a level of confidence to investors in such a deal, and possibly cover some of the revamping costs of a merger, which would be substantial.
The government’s bailout program was originally created to rescue banks and other financial institutions, but the Treasury Department decided last week to allow some insurance companies to participate as well.
A bailout for carmakers would be the latest in a series of government-financed rescue efforts for banks, Wall Street firms and an insurance conglomerate. While few experts dispute the car industry’s troubles, rescuing them would also increase political pressure to help ailing industries like airlines and steel producers.
The automobile industry and lawmakers from Michigan are now arguing that the car companies should be included, because their financing subsidiaries, which have been starved for credit, represent an important channel for consumers to obtain loans to buy cars.
Any federal help for the financing units could be used to provide car loans, which is seen as crucial to increasing car sales. Many dealers have had trouble closing sales with car buyers because of tighter lending standards.
On Monday, White House officials said the car companies might well be eligible for some sort of help under the broader financial rescue program, known as the Troubled Assets Relief Program, or TARP.
“It’s clear that the automakers are dealing with a very serious situation, they have for some time,” Dana Perino, the White House press secretary, told reporters on Monday.
“Automakers do have financing arms — many of them do — and it’s possible that some of those financing arms could be a part of the rescue package,” she continued. “We’re trying to work with them as much as we can. There are some things we may or may not be able to do.”
A spokesman for G.M., Greg Martin, said Monday that the company had been asking the Treasury Department to extend aid to automakers as it had to other troubled industries.
“We believe the federal government should consider using all the tools available to it, including some recently enacted, to support industries that are in distress and that are essential to the U.S. economy,” Mr. Martin said.
A spokeswoman for GMAC Financial Services, Gina Proia, said the auto finance operation was also seeking assistance from Treasury.
“At this point we are working with the government officials to understand the application process of TARP and other programs to determine any potential participation by GMAC,” she said.
All three of the major American car companies were already struggling with slumping car sales, soaring gasoline prices and huge losses. But their financial conditions became much worse in the last two months as the credit markets became frozen, unemployment jumped sharply and the economy reached the brink of a recession.
With only a week left before the presidential election, the political and economic stakes have increased. The Republican nominee, Senator John McCain, several weeks ago abandoned hope of winning in Michigan, which has the highest unemployment rate in the country. But the collapse of a major car manufacturer would send shock waves through Indiana, Ohio and potentially other crucial states with large auto plants or suppliers.
The Treasury Department, which oversees the rescue program, warned on Monday that the car companies would not be eligible for the capital injections that the government was offering to banks and some insurance companies. Under that program, the government hopes to invest $250 billion in banks and would receive nonvoting preferred shares in exchange.
“The capital purchase program is available only to federally regulated banks and savings institutions,” said Michele Davis, a spokesperson for the Treasury.
But Treasury officials did not rule out other forms of assistance. Under the law that Congress passed in early October, the Treasury Department has almost unlimited discretion to buy up any kind of assets from any kind of financial institution.
Ford and Chrysler both have financing units, mainly for the purpose of providing car loans, and those subsidiaries might qualify as financial institutions.
General Motors is in a more complicated situation, however, because it spun off 49 percent of its financing unit, the General Motors Acceptance Corporation, to Cerberus, the same private-equity firm that acquired Chrysler after the breakup of DaimlerChrysler last year.
Both G.M. and Chrysler are in desperate need of cash to stave off possible bankruptcy filings. G.M., the nation’s largest automaker, lost $18.8 billion in the first six months of the year, and is burning through more than $1 billion in cash each month.
The company had $21 billion in cash as of June, but is rapidly depleting its reserves to offset declining revenues. Analysts said that at its current cash-burn rate, G.M. would fall below its minimum operating requirements by sometime next year.
A merger with Chrysler would give G.M. access to about $11.7 billion in cash that was on Chrysler’s books as of June.
Talks between G.M. and Cerberus are continuing, and the sides are said to be committed to reaching a deal soon, according to people close to the discussions.
The failure of General Motors, the Ford Motor Company or Chrysler would have broad consequences for the economy. The companies combined employ more than 200,000 people in the United States, and indirectly support jobs for millions more Americans through their suppliers and dealerships.
If any of the three companies were to go bankrupt, it would probably leave behind huge liabilities for federal and state governments. Shortfalls in their pension plans would become the responsibility of the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, and its reserves are already stretched.
G.M. has been in merger talks since September with Chrysler’s majority owner, the private equity firm Cerberus Capital Management. But the two sides have been unable so far to secure new financing from banks and other lenders, according to people with knowledge of the talks.
By EDMUND L. ANDREWS and BILL VLASIC
Published: October 27, 2008
WASHINGTON — The Bush administration is examining a range of options for providing emergency financial help to spur a merger between General Motors and Chrysler, according to government officials.
People familiar with the discussions said the administration wanted to provide financial assistance to the deeply troubled Big Three Detroit automakers, possibly by using the Treasury Department’s wide-ranging authority under the $700 billion bailout program that Congress approved this month.
Another option under consideration is to tap a $25 billion loan program that Congress just created to help the auto companies modernize their plants. A third option would involve going back to Congress, immediately after the Nov. 4 election, for authority to spend funds aimed specifically at the auto industry. But officials have not yet decided how much assistance to provide or how to structure any aid program.
G.M. and the parent of Chrysler, Cerberus Capital Management, are in talks to possibly merge the two companies, which are losing sales and hemorrhaging cash. People close to the talks said G.M. needs between $5 billion and $10 billion in assistance, mainly to cover G.M.’s own needs between now and the time of the merger.
Any financial help from the government could help provide a level of confidence to investors in such a deal, and possibly cover some of the revamping costs of a merger, which would be substantial.
The government’s bailout program was originally created to rescue banks and other financial institutions, but the Treasury Department decided last week to allow some insurance companies to participate as well.
A bailout for carmakers would be the latest in a series of government-financed rescue efforts for banks, Wall Street firms and an insurance conglomerate. While few experts dispute the car industry’s troubles, rescuing them would also increase political pressure to help ailing industries like airlines and steel producers.
The automobile industry and lawmakers from Michigan are now arguing that the car companies should be included, because their financing subsidiaries, which have been starved for credit, represent an important channel for consumers to obtain loans to buy cars.
Any federal help for the financing units could be used to provide car loans, which is seen as crucial to increasing car sales. Many dealers have had trouble closing sales with car buyers because of tighter lending standards.
On Monday, White House officials said the car companies might well be eligible for some sort of help under the broader financial rescue program, known as the Troubled Assets Relief Program, or TARP.
“It’s clear that the automakers are dealing with a very serious situation, they have for some time,” Dana Perino, the White House press secretary, told reporters on Monday.
“Automakers do have financing arms — many of them do — and it’s possible that some of those financing arms could be a part of the rescue package,” she continued. “We’re trying to work with them as much as we can. There are some things we may or may not be able to do.”
A spokesman for G.M., Greg Martin, said Monday that the company had been asking the Treasury Department to extend aid to automakers as it had to other troubled industries.
“We believe the federal government should consider using all the tools available to it, including some recently enacted, to support industries that are in distress and that are essential to the U.S. economy,” Mr. Martin said.
A spokeswoman for GMAC Financial Services, Gina Proia, said the auto finance operation was also seeking assistance from Treasury.
“At this point we are working with the government officials to understand the application process of TARP and other programs to determine any potential participation by GMAC,” she said.
All three of the major American car companies were already struggling with slumping car sales, soaring gasoline prices and huge losses. But their financial conditions became much worse in the last two months as the credit markets became frozen, unemployment jumped sharply and the economy reached the brink of a recession.
With only a week left before the presidential election, the political and economic stakes have increased. The Republican nominee, Senator John McCain, several weeks ago abandoned hope of winning in Michigan, which has the highest unemployment rate in the country. But the collapse of a major car manufacturer would send shock waves through Indiana, Ohio and potentially other crucial states with large auto plants or suppliers.
The Treasury Department, which oversees the rescue program, warned on Monday that the car companies would not be eligible for the capital injections that the government was offering to banks and some insurance companies. Under that program, the government hopes to invest $250 billion in banks and would receive nonvoting preferred shares in exchange.
“The capital purchase program is available only to federally regulated banks and savings institutions,” said Michele Davis, a spokesperson for the Treasury.
But Treasury officials did not rule out other forms of assistance. Under the law that Congress passed in early October, the Treasury Department has almost unlimited discretion to buy up any kind of assets from any kind of financial institution.
Ford and Chrysler both have financing units, mainly for the purpose of providing car loans, and those subsidiaries might qualify as financial institutions.
General Motors is in a more complicated situation, however, because it spun off 49 percent of its financing unit, the General Motors Acceptance Corporation, to Cerberus, the same private-equity firm that acquired Chrysler after the breakup of DaimlerChrysler last year.
Both G.M. and Chrysler are in desperate need of cash to stave off possible bankruptcy filings. G.M., the nation’s largest automaker, lost $18.8 billion in the first six months of the year, and is burning through more than $1 billion in cash each month.
The company had $21 billion in cash as of June, but is rapidly depleting its reserves to offset declining revenues. Analysts said that at its current cash-burn rate, G.M. would fall below its minimum operating requirements by sometime next year.
A merger with Chrysler would give G.M. access to about $11.7 billion in cash that was on Chrysler’s books as of June.
Talks between G.M. and Cerberus are continuing, and the sides are said to be committed to reaching a deal soon, according to people close to the discussions.
The failure of General Motors, the Ford Motor Company or Chrysler would have broad consequences for the economy. The companies combined employ more than 200,000 people in the United States, and indirectly support jobs for millions more Americans through their suppliers and dealerships.
If any of the three companies were to go bankrupt, it would probably leave behind huge liabilities for federal and state governments. Shortfalls in their pension plans would become the responsibility of the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, and its reserves are already stretched.
G.M. has been in merger talks since September with Chrysler’s majority owner, the private equity firm Cerberus Capital Management. But the two sides have been unable so far to secure new financing from banks and other lenders, according to people with knowledge of the talks.
The unions aren't willing to play ball with the automakers. The UAW only cares about its own agenda without looking at the big picture; US automakers are going down the tubes and they want more money. Workers should not expect to be paid health care, benefits, retirement, and huge salaries for jobs that most people can do. If that were the case, we would have no need to higher education.
If you think the UAW doesn't factor into the equation you must be blind. There is a reason why GM bought out the UAW contracts and it has to do with GM not making a profit.
If you think the UAW doesn't factor into the equation you must be blind. There is a reason why GM bought out the UAW contracts and it has to do with GM not making a profit.








