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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 04:44 AM
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Mazda released images of its upcoming 2010 Mazda3 sedan recently and confirmed the car would make an appearance at next month’s Los Angeles Auto Show. The carmaker also confirmed that the five-door hatch would be launched alongside the sedan early next year but that it won’t be revealed until closer to the sales launch.

While that is still several months away, we can get a rough outline of what the newly styled Mazda3 hatch will look from these latest images of a prototype for the sporty Mazdaspeed (MPS) model spotted near the Nurburgring. The hatch will feature an almost identical face to the sedan and as revealed by these spy shots it will also include a chiselled character line starting at the top of the front fender and recedes back into the waistline. It then appears again on the rear fender to give the car a wider stance.

Both 2.0L and 2.5L petrol engines are confirmed for the 2010 Mazda3 and the Mazdaspeed model could feature a turbocharged version of one of these, or stick with the current 2.3L mill. While actual specs for the car are hard to come by, there are also rumors that the engine in the Mazdaspeed version could be based on the 300hp (224kW) turbocharged 2.5L Duratec unit destined for the upcoming Ford Focus RS. There’s also the chance that Ford’s new RevoKnuckle FWD suspension system could be used in the Mazda to help get all that power to the ground as an AWD set-up is unlikely to be adopted.

Differentiating the Mazdaspeed from the regular Mazda3 lineup will be a large hood scoop for the turbo, oversized air-intakes in the front bumper, a rear diffuser, large-diameter twin-exhaust pipes, and a chunky rear wing.
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 06:50 AM
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I hope AWD is at least optional. TOo much power for the front wheels.
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 09:47 AM
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From what I hear the current MS3 puts the power down very well (and its like what, 280hp?)
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bean
From what I hear the current MS3 puts the power down very well (and its like what, 280hp?)
It's true but AWD/RWD is way more fun anyway.
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 09:54 AM
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it looks a tad bit longer doesn't it.. i can't wait to see the hatch
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Bean
From what I hear the current MS3 puts the power down very well (and its like what, 280hp?)
That may be true, but, what you *don't* hear is that Mazda electronically limits HP and Torque in 1st and second gear. The car would be too dangerous to drive, otherwise. What's the point? Many people already know my view on this. It really Pi$$es me off that manufacturers are doing this. According to manufacturers, it is THE solution to installing a high HP, high torque engine into a FWD layout. I think this line of thinking is incredibly ridiculous! Soon enough, you'll see FWD cars with 350HP, and a computer that throttles back massive amounts of HP in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear. OMG! STUPID!! Sorry to get carried away, I'm very passionate about this. Anyway, if you're going to build a high performance car with high HP/torque and it won't be manageable in a FWD layout, then don't build it. Here's a short list of cars that do this:

HHR-SS
Cobalt SS
Caliber SRT-4
All Saabs
MazdaSpeed 3
MazdaSpeed 6

I'm sure there are many more.
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by IS350jet
That may be true, but, what you *don't* hear is that Mazda electronically limits HP and Torque in 1st and second gear. The car would be too dangerous to drive, otherwise. What's the point? Many people already know my view on this. It really Pi$$es me off that manufacturers are doing this. According to manufacturers, it is THE solution to installing a high HP, high torque engine into a FWD layout. I think this line of thinking is incredibly ridiculous! Soon enough, you'll see FWD cars with 350HP, and a computer that throttles back massive amounts of HP in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear. OMG! STUPID!! Sorry to get carried away, I'm very passionate about this. Anyway, if you're going to build a high performance car with high HP/torque and it won't be manageable in a FWD layout, then don't build it. Here's a short list of cars that do this:

HHR-SS
Cobalt SS
Caliber SRT-4
All Saabs
MazdaSpeed 3
MazdaSpeed 6

I'm sure there are many more.
MazdaSpeed 6 is actually AWD. Sure it started FWD but nonetheless, they built an AWD system around it. Its really the same concept as Audi having a FWD layout then building AWD in its higher performing vehicles.
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by IS350jet
That may be true, but, what you *don't* hear is that Mazda electronically limits HP and Torque in 1st and second gear. The car would be too dangerous to drive, otherwise. What's the point? Many people already know my view on this. It really Pi$$es me off that manufacturers are doing this. According to manufacturers, it is THE solution to installing a high HP, high torque engine into a FWD layout. I think this line of thinking is incredibly ridiculous! Soon enough, you'll see FWD cars with 350HP, and a computer that throttles back massive amounts of HP in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear. OMG! STUPID!! Sorry to get carried away, I'm very passionate about this. Anyway, if you're going to build a high performance car with high HP/torque and it won't be manageable in a FWD layout, then don't build it. Here's a short list of cars that do this:

HHR-SS
Cobalt SS
Caliber SRT-4
All Saabs
MazdaSpeed 3
MazdaSpeed 6

I'm sure there are many more.
dont forget the FWD V8 Volvo/Yamaha. And the FF staggered Pontiac.

And to say all Saab isn't true. The Saabaru and 9-7 is AWD.

Also the Camry is 270hp FF...thats pretty darn powerful IMO.
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True, true. Thanks for pointing out the AWD's. The V6 Camry is indeed powerful with 248 lbs. of torque at 4,700 RPM, but it still doesn't come close to the HHR/Cobalt's 260 ft. lbs of torque at just 2,000 RPM. Also, if you've driven a V6 Camry at full throttle in 1st gear, you'd know it can be a little scarry, especially if the steering is not pointed straight ahead. And, torque steer is amplified by lighter vehicles. Still, I hate the fact that manufacturers are resorting to these measures instead of doing it right.
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I'll add the Chevy Impala SS and Acura TL-S to the powerful FWD car list.
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Originally Posted by ffpower
I'll add the Chevy Impala SS and Acura TL-S to the powerful FWD car list.
Buick Lacerne/Lacross are V-8 and FWD too.
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Buick Lacerne/Lacross are V-8 and FWD too.
And let's not forget the Caddy DTS...
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bean
From what I hear the current MS3 puts the power down very well (and its like what, 280hp?)
263 to be exact, and you feel every last one of them powershifting from 1-2-3
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Originally Posted by EZZ
MazdaSpeed 6 is actually AWD. Sure it started FWD but nonetheless, they built an AWD system around it. Its really the same concept as Audi having a FWD layout then building AWD in its higher performing vehicles.
mazdaspeed6 is AWD but the AWD is rear biased i believe 60/40. Hence if you watch any of the topgear video of them testing the MS6 you can actually drift it.


i can't wait to see what mazdaspeed does when they get their hands on the new gen mazda6
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 09:06 PM
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300hp+ fwd = TORQUE STEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! acura and lexus have their own systems for reducing this, but it will never feel like a RWD platform in terms of true balnce or in any corner exit under hard acceleration. also I am not a fan of the understeer of the FWD cars, and AWD cars for that matter
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