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Old May 14, 2008 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PushinLEX
...WHEN ARE THEY GONNA START OFFERING 93 OCTANE IN CALI!!!
Start? They had it. Tosco killed it - slowly. First to 92, then to 91. I have my doubts about it actually being 91. This happened in August of 2001.
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Old May 14, 2008 | 06:19 PM
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I don't think CARB (California Air Resources Board) allows 93 octane. CA has specialized fuel requirements that, for the most part, are different from any other state..........one reason why gas is so expensive there. Oil companies have to produce special-blend fuels for just CA, so you run into economies of scale.

As to the original question, all gas brands are NOT the same. Cheap, cut-rate brands usually lack a good detergent additives to keep gum and carbon from building up. So you save a few cents per gallon up front, just to have to turn around and spend money for fuel system cleaners down the road.....and risk engine stalling from clogged injectors. Just stick with Shell and Chevron (if they are available in your area) and you generally won't won't have any gasoline-related problems. If not, use BP, Exxon, Sunoco, etc....or any other major name-brands available, although BP can be very expensive. I'd also avoid Citgo, even though it is a major name brand, not because of the gas itself, but because of politics......Citgo is state-owned by Venezuela, and at least part of the money just goes into that moron Chavez's pocket.
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Old May 14, 2008 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I don't think CARB (California Air Resources Board) allows 93 octane. CA has specialized fuel requirements that, for the most part, are different from any other state..........one reason why gas is so expensive there. Oil companies have to produce special-blend fuels for just CA, so you run into economies of scale.

As to the original question, all gas brands are NOT the same. Cheap, cut-rate brands usually lack a good detergent additives to keep gum and carbon from building up. So you save a few cents per gallon up front, just to have to turn around and spend money for fuel system cleaners down the road.....and risk engine stalling from clogged injectors. Just stick with Shell and Chevron (if they are available in your area) and you generally won't won't have any gasoline-related problems. If not, use BP, Exxon, Sunoco, etc....or any other major name-brands available, although BP can be very expensive. I'd also avoid Citgo, even though it is a major name brand, not because of the gas itself, but because of politics......Citgo is state-owned by Venezuela, and at least part of the money just goes into that moron Chavez's pocket.
It's NOT CARB. It's the refiners. They claim it's too expensive to meet CARB standards (although they're happy to sell 100 octane for 3x the price of 91 premium). Tosco unilaterally decided this in August of 2001, and the others followed suit because they believed (rightly so) that demand wasn't strong enough for any serious complaints. The only people who complained were people like me with turbo cars running higher than stock boost who saw a 35% reduction in fuel economy overnight. We were a tiny minority, so they couldn't care less. The told us to buy race gas.

FWIW, I ran ARCO fuel in California for years and never suffered any of the issues you describe here. ARCO was the cheapest of cheap.
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Old May 14, 2008 | 07:19 PM
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Yeah this topic has been covered many times especially over last several months. I've been using Sunoco faithfully over last few years but after finding out that it's not a "top-tier" gas company, I've decided to use Shell's V-Power 93. Call me crazy but the car does feel even more smoother since I made the switch like a month ago. Helps to have a clean air filter too; cleaned my K&M today.
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Old May 14, 2008 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Just stick with Shell and Chevron (if they are available in your area) and you generally won't won't have any gasoline-related problems. If not, use BP, Exxon, Sunoco, etc....or any other major name-brands available, although BP can be very expensive. I'd also avoid Citgo, even though it is a major name brand, not because of the gas itself, but because of politics......Citgo is state-owned by Venezuela, and at least part of the money just goes into that moron Chavez's pocket.
Funny, I avoid Chevron for the fact that they are sitting on a patent to battery technology that could help create better hybrids and long range EVs. I would never put money in the pockets of those who would deliberately sit on life-changing technology for the sake of making a quick buck
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