the rl looks too cheap

 

That is a nice looking car, but IT AIN'T NO FREAKIN' LEGEND!!!

A Legend is rear wheel drive and does not look like the new Accord or RL, period!

Geez, Hondas are now starting to look like Toyota's 'appliances'.

 

The Legend? RWD?






only if it was true...

 

Including the Oldsmobile in the comparison would make the rest of the competitors 'overpriced and underpowered' which no one would really far enough to say that.

I compared the cars with their respective trim level. The E class and 5-series had bigger V8s, but they are NOT comparable. Legend competed with the 6yl offering from Lexus and Mercedes. BMW had a 6cyl, but it had **** poor <190hp engine which would further proved my point, but I chose to go with the 3.0L V8 for the sake of price/performance being similar to the rest of the pack. Mercedes, Lexus, and BMW designated their trim level with engine options. Acura's trim level differentiated standard and optional features. In a comparison like this, you need to compare similar engines with one another, not 'top of the line vs. top of the line'.

There is a reason why the RL competes with the E350, GS350, 530, not the GS460, 550, E550. You would be foolish to believe that flagship needs to be compared to another flagship.

 

Legend is actually FWD

 

Chris Bangle butt?

 

But that wasn't my point. My point is that the GS trim was the best Acura had to offer at the time when the competition offered a lot more. So you can compare power that matches, but you should really being comparing which vehicles have the options that give them the most potential. Thus, I don't think the Legend is all that great, nor is the current RL.

According to your logic you would compare the TL-S (the most powerful version) to the GS350 (the least powerful version) when we know that the GS460 offers a lot more. Thats silly IMO.

The whole point of automobile comparision is to see who is the best. Not to see how equal cars can be and who can play the nicest.

But the engine was mounted for that of a RWD car. Again silly. Extra powerloss to the wheels FTL.

 

Nope wrong. Look at how the industry compares their vehicles. Ask 1SICKLEX, MMarshall, or anyone who review cars. You compare them in their respective class. Do you compare The RL to the LS460? SC430 to the CL63? GS460 to the E63?

If your only objective is to find the most ballin' car on earth, then your comparison makes more sense.


It's not silly. Do you understand the fundamental physics behind a longitudinal FWD setup? More weight is being put behind the front axles instead of the front of the axles. Having a symmetry between the left and right of the vehicle gives you better L/R balance. You also have a situation where the left and right driveshafts are practically equal, reducing torque steer. One of the reasons why you dont see this setup more often is because of cost and space issue.

 

Being that it is so old now and built in the late 80s and came out as a 91 (2nd Gen at least) it does have short comings but I too am one of those that believe the 91-95 Legend was one of the best cars ever built during its time. I've owned 3 of them and really do miss my LS Coupe 6-Speed manual. Car gave me no problems. My only comparison can be to a few Lexus cars I've owned, a few BMW cars I've owned, and Honda and Toyota though as I haven't owned much of any other brand of cars. During its time I put it up against most anything in that era and in fact I did and bought 3 of them because of that. But, what do I know.

 

Why would there be extra power loss in the longitudinal mounted Legend? It still had no rear drive shaft so power delivery was the same as a FWD. My 93 Legend with 230 HP typically dynoed at 190 HP to the wheels in stock form. Guess what my 93 SC400 with a 250 HP V8 typically dynoes at? Right, 190-195. Nearly identical. That longitudinal mounted engine actually made the Legend at that time handle very weill. It minimized torque steer and improved handling. Although you can't really compare my them modified Legend to my stock E36 BMW at the time, I had it tuned well enough that it would out handle and of course out run my BMW any give day. However, compared to my current stock Sports Suspension E46 I don't think it could keep up.

PS. I guess it also depends on which Legend you drove. If you drove a 91-95 L or LS Sedan, I can see how one might be a little disappointed as it does still have the 200 HP engine. The 93-95 L and LS Coupes and the 94-95 GS Sedan though got the 230 HP engine, 6-Speed manual gear box, and a slightly more sports tuned suspension with larger diameter rims. It made a huge difference over all.

 

I miss my GS 6M. It really was a fantastic car. I owned 3 Legends. A '92 LS Special, a '95 LS coupe 6M, and a '94 GS 6M. The GS was by far my favorite. It handled sooo well, the balance was nothing like another FWD you would ever drive. And it was every bit as fast as my V8 Lexus if not quicker.

 

See, I knew I'd find the Legend lovers. You guys are like roaches. And I mean that in a good way.

I guess we differ in what is good and what isn't, because personally I think the Legend handles terribly. Or at least, I should say the Legend sedan, I've never drive the coupe.

Now I've spent some time over at Acura-Legend.com and have never heard of anyone claiming that a FWD longitudinally mounted engine minimizes torque steer. I do know that the settup in a FWD, AT Legend sacrafices a quite significant 20% of power. 20%, thats more than my AWD vehicle sacrafices.

 

I am stated many times I personally feel the Acura Legend 2nd gen is the finest sedan/coupe they have made. The NSX is on another level of course.

Outside of the new tech features the new Acuras have, the Legend is better built if not just as good. It has real wood, Bose audio, quality leather and the fit and finish of a car costing 10k more. Then it has classy, classic styling that Acura has pissed on with their recent designs. It drives/handles just as well and the GS with the 6 speed is a #()$(#() GEM. I've driven the car a few times and its really a focused effort.

Call me a Roach too!!!

 

Haha okay, well then I think the 1988 Honda Prelude si was the finest coupe ever made. Not the Legend. If I didn't love my AWD so much and wasn't so turned off by Honda's rust problems I'd consider another Prelude...and if they still made it.

 

Raises hand again. See some paint me as a Honda hater (and I don't really like them today) but in the 1990s, I loved Honda/Acura. I was a big Prelude fan, a shame it was discontinued and they made the Accord the "coupe".

I'm looking at ITRs on the used market. Championship white ftw!