Toyota/Subaru/Scion Lightweight Sports Car: Toyota GT86, Subaru BRZ, Scion FRS!
11-15-11, 06:39 PM
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Just read the InsideLine first drive: http://www.insideline.com/scion/fr-s...rst-drive.html. Consider me very underwhelmed and disappointed. 2800lbs?! And only 197hp? 53/47 weight distribution? What happened to lightweight? What happened to 200+ hp? What happened to balance? I realize that things got lost in translation as it goes from proto to production, but all Toyco seemingly did was made a RWD Celica. I understand power isn't everything, and that the first impressions were good, but this was supposed to be the spiritual successor to the lightweight AE86. Maybe my hope was too high with all the hype, but 2800lbs is a complete porker for this class and cripples the car significantly in hp/weight standpoint. I guess I'll be keeping my MR-S longer than i expected. 
Oh, and here is another engine bay photo, this time from the Racecar:
Looks more finalized than the engine bay from the prototype back in May:
The large strut bar on the race car obviously won't be on the production model, and the A/C is missing.
11-16-11, 12:02 PM
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Just read the InsideLine first drive: http://www.insideline.com/scion/fr-s...rst-drive.html. Consider me very underwhelmed and disappointed. 2800lbs?! And only 197hp? 53/47 weight distribution? What happened to lightweight? What happened to 200+ hp? What happened to balance? I realize that things got lost in translation as it goes from proto to production, but all Toyco seemingly did was made a RWD Celica. I understand power isn't everything, and that the first impressions were good, but this was supposed to be the spiritual successor to the lightweight AE86. Maybe my hope was too high with all the hype, but 2800lbs is a complete porker for this class and cripples the car significantly in hp/weight standpoint. I guess I'll be keeping my MR-S longer than i expected.
Power is 200hp, weight is 2600lbs for normal model, slightly more for AT, slightly less for stripped model.
11-16-11, 01:08 PM
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Stripped: 1190kg = 2624lbs
Low-spec MT: 1210kg = 2668lbs
Low-spec AT: 1230kg = 2712lbs
High-spec MT: 1230kg = 2712lbs
High-spec AT: 1250kg = 2756lbs
...but then again a fully-loaded model with all the options such as nav and leather/alcantara seat trim may just push the weight over 2800lbs.
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11-16-11, 04:07 PM
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You do know the only difference visually between the two models is going to be the bumper skins, right?
11-16-11, 04:11 PM
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That's the STI concept? It looks pretty close to the FRS, the headlights look pretty close to it.
I know that the bumpers will be what's different between the 2 models exterior wise (and I'm digging the exterior of the FRS), but the interiors will be completely different, right?
I know that the bumpers will be what's different between the 2 models exterior wise (and I'm digging the exterior of the FRS), but the interiors will be completely different, right?
11-16-11, 04:57 PM
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I know that the bumpers will be what's different between the 2 models exterior wise (and I'm digging the exterior of the FRS), but the interiors will be completely different, right?
11-16-11, 07:53 PM
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I would have not minded "only" 197hp, but the weight kills it even at 2600lbs. If we are averaging 2700lbs (waaayy too much for a supposed "lightweight" car) for regular FR-S, then 220hp would have been minimum IMHO. Sorry, but i come from a 2K lbs MR-S w/ 150hp (thats with power and weight reduction mods)....so i was looking for an "upgrade" to an FR-S. As I said before, maybe i was hoping for too much from the "new" Toyota...My only hope now is the added weight is the result of additional reinforcement for a supposedly more powerful model! /crosses fingers
11-16-11, 08:34 PM
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I would have not minded "only" 197hp, but the weight kills it even at 2600lbs. If we are averaging 2700lbs (waaayy too much for a supposed "lightweight" car) for regular FR-S, then 220hp would have been minimum IMHO. Sorry, but i come from a 2K lbs MR-S w/ 150hp (thats with power and weight reduction mods)....so i was looking for an "upgrade" to an FR-S. As I said before, maybe i was hoping for too much from the "new" Toyota...My only hope now is the added weight is the result of additional reinforcement for a supposedly more powerful model! /crosses fingers
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11-17-11, 01:08 AM
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My intended purchase was about performance first and some practicality in a coupe, so i know what it means to me and don't need you insinuating as such. The FR-S is going to be Toyco's ONLY affordable F/R coupe. One would of thought that with that in mind and the lessons learned from the lightweight MR-S, they could of morph the the 2 together for an unrivaled sports coupe. Sorry, but I'm an old school guy who has owned (2) Supra TT's and now an MR-S, so wanted more from Toyco.
11-17-11, 04:35 AM
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So your argument for the additional weight now was that practicality was part of the triumvirate of design goals?! My intended purchase was about performance first and some practicality in a coupe, so i know what it means to me and don't need you insinuating as such. The FR-S is going to be Toyco's ONLY affordable F/R coupe. One would of thought that with that in mind and the lessons learned from the lightweight MR-S, they could of morph the the 2 together for an unrivaled sports coupe. Sorry, but I'm an old school guy who has owned (2) Supra TT's and now an MR-S, so wanted more from Toyco.
My intended purchase was about performance first and some practicality in a coupe, so i know what it means to me and don't need you insinuating as such. The FR-S is going to be Toyco's ONLY affordable F/R coupe. One would of thought that with that in mind and the lessons learned from the lightweight MR-S, they could of morph the the 2 together for an unrivaled sports coupe. Sorry, but I'm an old school guy who has owned (2) Supra TT's and now an MR-S, so wanted more from Toyco.p.s. It'd have the same power-to-weigh ratio as your weight reduced and modified MR-2
