Unfortunately, some of the spy pics have already revealed that the Genesis will not be getting those nifty headlights afterall. Shame, as that was one of the more interesting characteristics this car had to offer.

 

The number one problem keeping me from even considering dropping any money on any of the vehicles coming out of Korea at the moment is their horrible rate of depreciation.

I might consider buying one that's already a good bit of the way depreciated, used, but even then I'd be concerned about the depreciating it has left to do.

The only way I could justify buying a 30k dollar+ korean car is if I was going to drive it until I could justify sending it to the junk yard or could say I had gotten enough use out of it to justify selling it for practically nothing.

 

TOTALLY AGREE!!!

They need to stop designing a new vehicle by photoshop... CUT & PASTE
Be creative, design your own damn vehicle!!!

P.S. If I want STATUS instead of RELIABILITY of Toyota/Lexus, I would be riding in Bently, MB, or BMW...

 

Some points to note..
1) Subaru is right up there with Toyota/Lexus (reliability)
2)Mitsubishi, Daewoo and Kia don't belong that high up, and until this decade, neither Hyundai (in neither quaility or reliability)
3)Alfa Romeo should be on page 3, right in front of FIAT (in terbs of reliability).
4)American brands have been improving their quality & reliability
5)Mercedes is regaining their reliability
6)WTF?!?!? what is volvo doing all the way down there?


Thats a drastic generalization that I don't agree with

 

Just because Hyundai is launching a rear drive 300Hp car it doesn't mean that Lexus is in trouble. The statement by GS2006 is so silly. There are lot of Luxury brands in USA that need to worry before Lexus needs to worry about Hyundai. I don't think Lexus is sitting on its laurels and not developing newer models and updating the existing models with new features.

 

The formerly high depreciation is changing as Korean cars get better reputations and become more accepted among used-car buyers in the American market.

 

while I do agree hyundai has come a long way, I dont think it would be on the level of a lexus yet.

While lexus make remarkably reliable cars, and quality is very good...I hear guys complaining on the rattles etc, no car is perfect, especially a Daily driver, drive a lamborghini or a maybach everyday and I am sure that sooner or later its going to develop some flaw, as long as my tranny and powerplant are functioning as they should be I am more than happy with my car, all the other luxuries come second with me

Anyways point I am wanting to make if we all thought about value we would not be driving a lexus, value wise lexus would be better than Mercedes and BMW, but that is not why people buy these cars, at least not the majority. People buy these status symbol cars because of not only the reputation, but the status. If someone sees you driving a lexus, a mercedes or a BMW, your not only driving your more than average car, but you are showing everyone success...

The truth is the price tag on the majority of these cars is mostly in the badges whether it be the three pointed star, the propeller, or the great "L"

its reputation as well, lexus has come a long way and thats why the price tag on these cars has too...

I sure know if I started making something, and it was doing good and had a good reputation I would up the price on it...why? because I can and because I know people will buy it because it is a reputed product.

I am sure that in the years to come if hyundais come moving the the right direction, we will start to see a swift increase in their price as well

 

I agree with much of your post, but Hyundai seems to be vastly improving their cars at a time when Toyota and Lexus are cost-cutting on their vehicles, especially in the quality of the new interiors. I have been disappointed in the interior hardware and materials of several new Toyota and Lexus products I have recently reviewed, including the Tundra, Camry SE, ES350, and IS250. The ES350 was especially disappointing compared to its superb ES330 predecessor.

 

I agree totally, that is the downside, sometimes its gets to the point where the main thing you are buying is the badge on the car, the name...

Makers do this because they know what their cars mean to people, they can take advantage of this and slack, and they know people will still more than likely buy their cars because of their status.

Look at mercedes and BMW, horrible experiences with both makers, yet my family still buys them, I dont know how many times in our family we have had the expansion tank to our bimmer's radiator blow up lol, but its still a BMW, regardless, and its still expensive. sooner or later tho people will look for something with comparable status, and reliability where I think Lexus has more than stepped to the plate there, hence why I no longer have a Bimmer key in my pocket.

Dont get me wrong tho, these are all awesome cars, and I do agree Hyundai is going places, but take a hyundai to the country club no matter the model, and I am pretty sure you will get some awkward looks from people...

only difference from car to car, or anything for that matter is the name the brand behind it, and the reputation that follows it, and that is what hyundai is lacking (but definately building it)

 

Yes...it's easy to get addicted to the way that BMW's steer, handle, and drive. IMO, no other company in the world makes a better power-steering system and suspension, though Porsche comes close.

THAT is why BMW has been able to maintain its worldwide sales in the face of fugly (IMO) Chris Bangle styling, I-Drive electronics, and worsening repair records on recent models. A Bimmer still DRIVES like a Bimmer...and that is hard to ignore.


Same with Mercedes. Their reputation for safety and engineering has lived on with them, and still attracts sales, despite the poor quality control, sub-standard electronics, and flimsy interior hardware of some of their recent models.

 

Allow me to disagree.
BMW doesn't have the best steering (see all the criticism regarding the new M3, same was true with the E46 when it came out) and Porsche is far superior, look at any Z4 vs. Boxster comparo not to mention M6 vs. 911CS, its also not close to being the best handling car, maybe very good balance, but arguably a Legacy Spec-B can do that a lower price (see fifth gear or Ezra Dyer's collum) plus read the Automobile old G35C vs. 330ci comparo...that is not to say BMW are not good cars.
Lexus has a solid reputation for making very smooth riding cars with great reliability and amazing service, and even if Hyundai gets close it will never carry the same repute Lexus does, heck even Toyota with its very accomplished cars (see Avalon) or VW couldn't pull off.

P.S
Most BMW owners, just like LExus or M-B don't care, nor notice about the handling, they mostly notice ride and badge. IMO.

 

BMW may not have the best absolute steering ever, but when you look at the 3, 5, 7-series competitors, BMW offers the best. One thing they sure do know how to do is balance the ride quality between smooth and stiff.

 

Well, my friend has a hyundai tiburon, and I must say i do like that car. However im still dedicated to Lexus and always will be. The tiburon is fast indeed, and lots of fun! However the car has bugs, problems(lots of electrical flaws), and is not as reliable and as valuable as a Lexus, but it is still a fun lil toy and affordable! Hyundai has come a long way and has gotten better, but nothin beats a Lexus.

 

I agree that the new BMW Active Steering leaves a little to be desired, but for conventional power steering systems, by my hands and sensitivity, it's hard to beat the Bimmer systems. I've driven Porsches before ( just recently reviewed a Boxster) and don't find them quite the same level of road feel, although their mid / rear engine layouts, of course, mean more weight in the back than the front-engine BMW's and somewhat quicker steering response.

( Somehow we got off-topic.......Hyundai and Lexus)