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Old 05-22-07, 08:19 AM
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Default Edmunds Test: Nissan Altima Coupe





What Works:
Turns in smartly for a big front-driver; highly responsive CVT; torquey and tractable V6; flat-folding rear seats.

What Needs Work:
Average braking distances; so-so interior materials; awkward driving position.

Bottom Line:
For sheer entertainment value, the 2008 Nissan Altima 3.5 SE Coupe is the best of the front-drive, V6-equipped two-doors.



Conventional prejudice says you can't put a transverse V6 in a big front-drive car and call it a sport coupe. But after 600 miles with the 2008 Nissan Altima 3.5 SE Coupe, we're going to rise above our car-geek heritage and do just that.

Of course we're speaking out of passion, not precision. This is still a 183-inch-long, 71-inch-wide, 3,290-pound car with 67 percent of its weight riding over the front wheels. Said wheels are wrapped in unassuming 215/55R17 Bridgestone Turanza tires.

But there's a vitality to the Nissan Altima 3.5 SE Coupe that defies clinical assessment. It likes going around corners. Its VQ-Series V6 likes being matched up with a continuously variable transmission (CVT). Even if the Altima coupe isn't dynamically perfect, we like driving it.

Minus Two Doors, Plus One Mustache
Nissan's starting point here has been the Altima sedan, already an athlete among family-friendly sedans. Instead of dropping a coupe body onto a sedan chassis and installing a set of really long doors, Nissan lopped 4 inches off the sedan's wheelbase (now 105.3 inches) and designed a fresh set of body panels.

With its 3-inch drop in stature and fastback roof line, the Altima coupe draws immediate comparisons to Infiniti's G37 coupe. From the back, it looks a bit too much like the innocuous Pontiac G6, but wheel around front and there's a wisp of a chrome mustache to reassure you this car has the evil, funhouse flavor of the Altima.

We Choose Torque
As usual, there are degrees of evil. Not so threatening is the 2.5 S Coupe, which is motivated by a 175-horsepower 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine and priced around $21,000. Nissan says this car will account for 60 percent of Altima coupe sales.

We're speaking here to the other 40 percent, however; the fiends who will spend upward of $26,000 on the Altima 3.5 SE Coupe. It has a 3.5-liter V6 rated for 270 hp at 6,000 rpm and 258 pound-feet of torque at 4,400 rpm.

Although a six-speed manual is available, most 3.5 SE Coupes will be sold with a continuously variable transmission (CVT), with which our test car has been equipped. Most will also have the $3,200 Premium Package — good for xenon headlights, leather upholstery, Bose sound and automatic climate control.

Our test car did without the premium luxuries. Antilock disc brakes and all the expected airbags were on board, but stability control costs $600 extra.

Quick by Numbers, Quicker by Feel
The lack of amenities went largely unnoticed, as the Nissan Altima coupe has other ways of making its driver feel energized.

It's not with overpowering speed, though. A 0-60-mph time in the 6.0-second range and a quarter-mile time just under 15.0 seconds no longer make anyone feel entirely special, not even in the sensible coupe class. Our CVT-equipped coupe ran to 60 mph in 6.4 seconds, then laid down a quarter-mile in 14.8 seconds, a couple tenths quicker than the Altima sedan.

Nevertheless, it hasn't any edge over the Pontiac G6 GTP coupe, which gets to 60 mph in 6.2 seconds and does the quarter-mile in 14.8 seconds. Of course, the Altima CVT coupe is a smidge faster than the Mitsubishi Eclipse GT with a manual transmission, which takes 6.6 seconds to get to 60 mph and then does the quarter-mile in 14.9 seconds.

But away from the test track, you'll be convinced this is a fast car. Partly it's the sweet power delivery of the VQ V6, which offers just the right balance of smoothness and personality in this grand-touring application.

Get With the CVT Program
Mostly, though, the Altima coupe's lively performance comes from the CVT, which makes good on the promise that a CVT is better than a regular automatic transmission. Instead of playing telephone with your right foot, sending a message to the engine through hydraulic fluid whirling around a torque convertor, the CVT responds immediately to changes in throttle input. So when the engine rpm soar, it's because you will it to.

During instrumented testing, it made no difference in the numbers whether we left the CVT in Drive or used the manual mode. But on your favorite back road, there's good reason to call up a manual "downshift." Pull the central gearlever back as you're coming into a tight turn and you gain access to a usefully lower range of available gear ratios.

So enjoyable is the CVT that even hard-core drivers will prefer it to this car's manual gearbox. You see, apart from the pleasures of post-redline upshifts and heel-and-toe downshifts, the six-speed is a weak effort. The clutch engagement is abrupt and the shift lever feels limp through the gates.

The CVT also delivered pretty good fuel economy. The CVT coupe achieved 34 mpg on a pure highway run, although only half that during a workout on the two-lane — averaging out to 20 mpg. During the brief 200-miles time we had our hands on the coupe with a manual transmission, it returned 18 mpg.

Coupe in the Balance
Handling is another area in which the 2008 Nissan Altima 3.5 SE Coupe reaches out to its driver. Its 68.8-mph slalom performance and 0.81g grip on the skid pad are no better than the sedan's, but there's a psychological component to the coupe's compressed dimensions and slightly lower curb weight. Maybe it's just us, but the two-door feels hungrier on a curvy road.

And compared to the understeer-prone Eclipse and unresponsive G6, Nissan's new coupe borders on the ravenous when it comes to eating up the road. It's also much quicker through the cones on its skimpy 55-series 17-inch tires than either rival is on low-profile 18-inchers. The Altima has the edge in steering feel as well.

The Altima's braking capability is only average, though. A 127-foot stop from 60 mph brings it to a halt 10 feet shorter than the Pontiac, but still not up to the Mitsu's 124-foot performance. The Altima's brake pedal travel is short and there's lots of initial bite from the brake pads, but the tires just aren't up to it.

Because of the Altima coupe's shorter wheelbase, you feel the impact from highway expansion joints more sharply than in the sedan, so you'd better have a tighter grip on hot, splashy beverages. Overall, though, the coupe's ride quality is agreeable.

Functional Cockpit, Funky Seats
Just as in the sedan, the cabin of the 2008 Nissan Altima Coupe has a vaguely industrial ambience, although it features simple, well-organized controls. The soft-touch plastic that trims the dash feels rubbery to the touch, and the action of the various dials feels grainy and unpleasant.

The coupe has less headroom than the sedan, of course, and the front seats now have considerable lateral bolsters to hold you around corners. Rush-hour comfort is debatable, though, as the driver seat combines a slightly odd overall shape with firm cushions.

The coupe's trunk space is minimal at just 7.4 cubic feet, but it's a useful space with a wide opening and the 60/40-split rear seats fold completely flat, providing a cargo area large enough to bring home an awful lot of dry-cleaning plus some groceries, too.

Best of the Front-Drive Coupes
When you set out to buy a midsize front-wheel-drive coupe, you have to be willing to make some tough choices. If you've got a specific craving for a more decadent rear-drive car like the Ford Mustang GT or Mazda RX-8, you shouldn't ask an Altima coupe to satisfy it.

But if you're willing to admit that ride comfort, fuel economy and interior spaciousness are important, then the 2008 Nissan Altima Coupe is one of the best options out there. Among the current population of V6 front-drive coupes, the 3.5 SE is by far the best drive.








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As nice as it is for what it is, there really is a lack of interest for FWD mid-sized coupes out there.

The only real competitors in this category are the Accord coupe, Camry Solara, and G6 coupe; and all those are not selling very well...
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so the solara finally has some competition. Looks nice, but dunno how the 18mpg is going to appeal to the mass...my GS400 might get better gas mileage than that.
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Car and Driver has a short take as well. 0-60 in 5.8 seconds.

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...ecs-page3.html
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They always have to make the nose/grille ugly to differentiate the appearance from it's more upscale sibling
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once again, they have screwed up the interior with crappy quality material
they actually have improved the design of the interior but its the stupid cheap lower grade plastic they insist on using...
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that grille looks absolutely retarded
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Originally Posted by MPLexus301
that grille looks absolutely retarded
I totally agree with you...That grill has to go...
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Originally Posted by MPLexus301
that grille looks absolutely retarded
It looks better when the whole border of the grill is silver/chrome...

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Originally Posted by UberNoob
once again, they have screwed up the interior with crappy quality material
they actually have improved the design of the interior but its the stupid cheap lower grade plastic they insist on using...
This seems to still be a knee-jerk reaction for some of the auto press when it comes to Nissan interiors. Autoweek has a whole different impression. Tested is the 2.5 version.

2008 Nissan Altima Coupe 2.5 S
Even though the Nissan Altima coupe wants to be sporty, it has to settle for just plain good

By NATALIE NEFF

Nissan folks want us to think the Altima coupe is a sporty car, mentioning it in the same sentence as the likes of the Ford Mustang. We don’t. Mind you, that’s not the same as thinking it’s a bad car, because it’s not. Far from it.

For one thing, the Altima coupe is among the most stylish to emerge from Nissan in a long time. Our test car garnered plenty of praise from neighbors and got lots of looks from other motorists as it rolled through traffic.

Though it’s based on the Altima sedan platform, the coupe is a unique design. It measures 7.1 inches shorter in overall length and 2.5 inches shorter in height than the sedan. It has a 4.0-inch shorter wheelbase, with the wheels pushed out farther toward the car’s corners. The hood is the only body panel the coupe shares with the sedan. Grille, headlights and four pipes out back are coupe-specific designs.

Nissan has progressed light-years with its interior execution. The support and comfort offered by the heavily bolstered sport seats are excellent in the Altima coupe. The overall layout, while essentially identical to the sedan’s, is attractive and easy to navigate, and the switchgear feels substantial, not cheap and flimsy. In fact, the same staffers who said they’d pass on the 350Z when it bowed based solely on the cheap interior couldn’t say the same with the Altima coupe. The only feature we found lacking was a shallow cubby for an iPod or cell phone.

Our particular tester came equipped with a 2.5-liter four turning out a healthy 175 hp and 180 lb-ft of torque, mated to a six-speed manual transmission. As with the sedan, Nissan also equips the coupe with a 3.5-liter, 270-hp V6, but at no point did we find ourselves particularly wanting for power with the four-banger. Also available with both the four and six is a CVT.

But with a relatively soft suspension setup (strut front/multilink rear with antiroll bars at both ends), the coupe exhibits a noticeable amount of roll through the turns, certainly more than you would anticipate from a car with sporting intentions. Also, its front all-season tires can’t meet the demands of steering and putting down power at the same time, particularly when moving from a standstill, a problem that plagues many front-drivers. And as with the Altima 3.5 SE (you’ll read about its entry into our long-term fleet in an upcoming issue), steering effort was way too light at 75 mph, offering about as much resistance as you’d expect to find at parking-lot speeds while offering virtually zero feedback.

We suspect the more aggressive rubber (215/55R-17s versus 215/60R-16s) on the V6 model goes some way toward making the Altima coupe more corner-savvy; once we sample one, we’ll let you know. Meantime, the upside to the base coupe’s chassis setup was a comfortable and quiet ride. Rather than always wanting to push it hard on freeway ramps (as we would with, say, a Mustang), we found the car perfect for cruising around town, letting the Bose sound system fill the cabin with music—all the while averaging 26.9 mpg during 600-plus miles of driving.


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I can't get past the curves. It is like they don't belong.
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Yes so they like the interior which contradicts edmunds and say its not that sporty to drive, while edmunds says its pretty sporty...

sigh...car reviews...lol
 
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Yes so they like the interior which contradicts edmunds and say its not that sporty to drive, while edmunds says its pretty sporty...

sigh...car reviews...lol

True. But there probably is a performance diffrerence between the 2.5 and the 3.5 coupe the same as there is between the 2.5 and 3.5 SE sedan. Edmunds tested the 3.5 while Autoweek tested the 2.5.
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theyd pass on the Z because of its interior.. despite its sub $28k price... and would rather the altima... yet they have a problem with how it turns. umm ok.

they basically want a nice interior and a nice rwd performance platform. which is the g35. but they want it for $10k less. ugh.
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Well, I don't think the interior would cost $10k to spruce up If Nissan would spend about $1k more on the interior, they'd have something NICE.

Can't do much about about the layout being FWD; thats just the platform. But I find it curiously odd they only mustered just somewhere under 15 sec 1/4 mile times. My stock SC300 could do that lol. And it weighs more and makes less power. Seems the CVT might suck up a LOT of power.
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