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Old Apr 27, 2007 | 09:54 AM
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Toyota, Subaru Swap Engineers

PALM SPRINGS, CA – Toyota Motor Corp. and Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. have swapped more than 100 engineers in order to explore possible synergies between the two auto makers, a Subaru of America Inc. official says.

“Toyota sent about 100-150 over to Subaru and vice versa,” David Sullivan, product car line manager for SOA, tells Ward’s at a media event here.

“That exchange started a couple months after the agreement was reached for Toyota to invest in 8.7% of our parent (Fuji),” he says. “So there’s some intermingling going on right now, and in a year or two I think you’ll see that bear some fruit for both companies.”

Toyota purchased a stake in Fuji about 18 months ago, largely to gain capacity for Camry production at Subaru of Indiana Automotive Inc.’s plant in Lafayette, IN.

But the alliance also has opened doors for other opportunities, such as technology swapping, Sullivan says.

One scenario sees Subaru adapting Toyota’s hybrid technology for use in one of its vehicles, he says.

“The development (of hybrid-electric vehicles) is half the battle,” Sullivan says. “And I think that’s what we’re kind of hoping to get from the alliance; the expertise behind making it a seamless powertrain alternative over the long-term. It’s something our senior leadership has said is one of the reasons we wanted the alliance.”

Toyota also could choose to tap into Subaru’s engineering know-how, possibly borrowing some of the auto maker’s signature all-wheel-drive technology.

“I suspect (Toyota is) fascinated with our AWD technology,” says Timothy Mahoney, senior vice president and chief marketing officer at SOA.

Meanwhile, Sullivan says adding Camry production at Subaru’s Lafayette plant has proved mutually beneficial.

When Subaru bought out former plant partner Isuzu Motors Ltd. in 2004, Lafayette was running at less than capacity, he says.

“We were able to fill up (capacity) with the (Subaru) Tribeca (cross/utility vehicle), but unfortunately we were unable to fill up 100%,” Sullivan says. “Now with Camry onboard, it allows us to fully utilize the plant. And Toyota can put more Camrys (on) the market.”

The addition of the Camry also lowers Subaru’s fixed costs and provides a glimpse into the inner workings of Toyota’s famed quality management system, he says.
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Old Apr 27, 2007 | 10:24 AM
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This is an excellent idea. I know a few companies here that don't do it with competitors, but sometimes with suppliers, so that each gets an idea of what the others do and the problems and solutions by giving a fresh look at something.
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Old Apr 27, 2007 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lexmex
This is an excellent idea. I know a few companies here that don't do it with competitors, but sometimes with suppliers, so that each gets an idea of what the others do and the problems and solutions by giving a fresh look at something.
An excellent idea it is, and something I wanted to see ever since this merger was announced....the makers of the world's most durable engines working with the maker of the world's best inexpensive AWD systems.
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Old Apr 27, 2007 | 12:28 PM
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Beautiful combination my fantasy list for Toyota would be AWD Turbo Versions of the Camry and Corolla. For Lexus AWD Turbo IS250's and GS300's. And of course turbo options for all Lexus RWD Models.
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Old Apr 27, 2007 | 05:53 PM
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This could be the start of something beautiful
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Old Apr 27, 2007 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cherplex
Beautiful combination my fantasy list for Toyota would be AWD Turbo Versions of the Camry and Corolla. For Lexus AWD Turbo IS250's and GS300's. And of course turbo options for all Lexus RWD Models.
Why just turbo the IS250 and GS300? Give turbos to the IS350 and the GS350 too!

Seriously, Lexus needs to offer a much larger variety of powertrain options than it does now in order to match the competition.

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Old Apr 27, 2007 | 06:06 PM
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This is fantastic. I can't wait to see some future products.
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Old Apr 27, 2007 | 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
This is fantastic. I can't wait to see some future products.
Same here. I think this a great idea, and we should see some great future products coming out for both companies.
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I agree... this could really start something special for both companies.

Too bad what they both really need is some good DESIGNERS.
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 02:08 AM
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Please don't swap designers..
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 02:31 AM
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I agree with joonsta.
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Originally Posted by MR_F1
This could be the start of something beautiful
Hopefully something like a Flat-4 bio-diesel hybrid *drools*
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by cherplex
Beautiful combination my fantasy list for Toyota would be AWD Turbo Versions of the Camry and Corolla. For Lexus AWD Turbo IS250's and GS300's. And of course turbo options for all Lexus RWD Models.
Toyota tried marketing AWD All-Trac versions of the Corolla and Camry here years ago, though not necessarily turbocharged. They didn't sell well, and were soon dropped.
Just this year, the Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe AWD models were also dropped.

Toyota and Honda can market a few successful, inexpensive, AWD vehicles like the RAV-4 and CR-V, but in general, Subaru wrote the book on inexpensive AWD. I agree with you, though, that it will be interesting to see if Toyota's superior engines can be mated with Subaru's superior AWD systems.
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Toyota tried marketing AWD All-Trac versions of the Corolla and Camry here years ago, though not necessarily turbocharged.
Don't forget the Celica All-Trac Turbo and the Previa All-Trac as well.
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by flipside909
Don't forget the Celica All-Trac Turbo and the Previa All-Trac as well.
Yes, I remember the Celica's All-Trac (I had forgotten the Previa's). Cherplex, however, had specifically brought up the Corolla and Camry issue.

If the Joint Subaru-Toyota teams of engineers can figure out a way (and, because of packaging reasons, it will not be easy) to combine Toyota's admittedly more durable in-line and V6 engines (or even the hybrids) with Subaru's better and more durable AWD systems, THAT will be SOME vehicle.

My checkbook is waiting.
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