BMW 335i Sedan Discussion (merged threads)
Mid to low 4's I can see in stock form but high 3 seconds? Even my friend with a 2003 once supercharged and now turbocharged Z06 might not agree with a sub 4 second stock Z06. He is the president of EFI Unlimmited if you happened to have heard that name before.
By the way, what is the well documented engine issues on the E46 M3 engine? I know of one issue that caused catastrophic engine failure but has since been long resolved. It is a non issue now unless some early 2002 M3 owner hasn't taken his car in for the recall. If that is the case that is his own damn fault.
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You're correct. And yes. I have heard of them.
However, the problem with these Vettes not being able to dip into the high 3s is not because of their lack of power output. The engine is simply too powerful for even the most massive tires out there to handle.
That being said, I believe that somewhere in the Car and Driver's database, there's one stock C5 Z06 that actually managed a 3.9 sec. sprint from 0-60mph. Perhaps those folks simply got the best out of the monster's traction for that run.
Jon
However, the problem with these Vettes not being able to dip into the high 3s is not because of their lack of power output. The engine is simply too powerful for even the most massive tires out there to handle.
That being said, I believe that somewhere in the Car and Driver's database, there's one stock C5 Z06 that actually managed a 3.9 sec. sprint from 0-60mph. Perhaps those folks simply got the best out of the monster's traction for that run.
Jon
You're correct. And yes. I have heard of them.
However, the problem with these Vettes not being able to dip into the high 3s is not because of their lack of power output. The engine is simply too powerful for even the most massive tires out there to handle.
That being said, I believe that somewhere in the Car and Driver's database, there's one stock C5 Z06 that actually managed a 3.9 sec. sprint from 0-60mph. Perhaps those folks simply got the best out of the monster's traction for that run.
Jon
However, the problem with these Vettes not being able to dip into the high 3s is not because of their lack of power output. The engine is simply too powerful for even the most massive tires out there to handle.
That being said, I believe that somewhere in the Car and Driver's database, there's one stock C5 Z06 that actually managed a 3.9 sec. sprint from 0-60mph. Perhaps those folks simply got the best out of the monster's traction for that run.
Jon
Yes, those Vettes are awsome performance machines. I still debate with myself if I should one day get one, but if I go the 2 seater sports car route again in the future my heart still says get another NSX. Or maybe Porsche Cayman S.
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Alternatively, the 1996' Porsche 911 Turbo may also be a very awesome choice. In my opinion, it's the last real 911 out there. 
Believe it or not. Car and Driver actually managed to muster a 3.6 sec. 0-60mph sprint from a stock 911 turbo in its Aug. 1996' issue. Don't ask me how they did it though.
Jon
Believe it or not. Car and Driver actually managed to muster a 3.6 sec. 0-60mph sprint from a stock 911 turbo in its Aug. 1996' issue. Don't ask me how they did it though.
Jon
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As for displacement and turbos - we've been over that. Lexus went with displacement and BMW with with small turbos. I wouldn't say either is technologically more advanced. BMW's idea is a bit more innovative, but also probably a bit riskier; which is right up their respective alleys, no? One thing you have to give the BMW engine is that it likely has more potential.
As for the heat thing (which you chose to bring up again), I thought we had addressed that too? One report from someone who was caught in a lie about all the cars overheating. Can't even confirm it actually overheated. Tons of people tracking the cars with no issues. Until more people confirm heat problems I think it is safe to say that the heat issue is a rumor at best. At this point I have a hard time believing you are being constructive, unless you're not reading the posts you're responding to.
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Sure, like everyone says. Lexus is not perfect so we can't expect BMW to be perfeft can we now? As for the ABS failure, that issue was solved by a simple software update in the E90. The problem is done with. Just like how we praise Toyota and Lexus for quickly addressing the problems that arrise, so should be applaud BMW for quickly figuring out the problem and coming up with a fix. Fair is fair right?
As for the ABS failure, that issue was solved by a simple software update in the E90. The problem is done with. Just like how we praise Toyota and Lexus for quickly addressing the problems that arrise, so should be applaud BMW for quickly figuring out the problem and coming up with a fix. Fair is fair right?
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The BMW engine is smaller 3 liters vs 3.5 liters, lighter (415lbs vs 450lbs), makes more power (underrated BMW numbers), makes more torque with a flatter torque curve, has a LOT more modding potential (can easily achieve 70 more hp with a simple stage 1 ECU tune), has full direct injection and is more efficient all while doing so with a smaller capacity engine. It is also the worlds first direct injection engine with two small lag-free turbos. It is definitely high-tech.
Just making the engine bigger? while still a high tech engine, just increasing the displacement is kind of the easier less innovative way of going about that business.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm...ngine-in-depth
Just making the engine bigger? while still a high tech engine, just increasing the displacement is kind of the easier less innovative way of going about that business.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm...ngine-in-depth
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Already BMW 335i engine issues!
This makes feel even better about buying the IS350!!!!!
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=163972
Not my car thank god!!
"There is 424kms on the odometer, and today after leaving a little car show I was on the highway cruising home, stepped on it a little to get into the lane then in my rear view mirror all I could see was tons and I mean tons of white smoke, then the red check engine light came on and the car stalled. I got it towed to my local BMW dealership, and its a holiday, but my salesman met me there and gave me an X5 to roll while they check my car out. It is going into service at 7am tomorrow mornig so I will keep you all updated. I have stepped on it a few times but nothing hardcore. Anyone have any ideas as to what may have happened? It was clouds of whiteish smoke coming from both exhaust tips, and even after sitting for a few minutes it was still coming out without the engine running. There was no warning or any noises or anything. The oil temp guage seemed fine and no warning sensors until this happend. There were no leaks of fluid and at glancing in the engine compartment everything looked fine. Any one have any ideas"
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=163972
Not my car thank god!!
"There is 424kms on the odometer, and today after leaving a little car show I was on the highway cruising home, stepped on it a little to get into the lane then in my rear view mirror all I could see was tons and I mean tons of white smoke, then the red check engine light came on and the car stalled. I got it towed to my local BMW dealership, and its a holiday, but my salesman met me there and gave me an X5 to roll while they check my car out. It is going into service at 7am tomorrow mornig so I will keep you all updated. I have stepped on it a few times but nothing hardcore. Anyone have any ideas as to what may have happened? It was clouds of whiteish smoke coming from both exhaust tips, and even after sitting for a few minutes it was still coming out without the engine running. There was no warning or any noises or anything. The oil temp guage seemed fine and no warning sensors until this happend. There were no leaks of fluid and at glancing in the engine compartment everything looked fine. Any one have any ideas"
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This was already posted. Somebody a little bit insecure about the BMW 335i ? I've read of only one instance of this occuring and people keep posting the same story as if it's a new story.
? I've read of only one instance of this occuring and people keep posting the same story as if it's a new story.
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Folks we have several active threads on the 335i, please add to those rather than start a new thread.
Topics on vehicles that are not built buy Lexus go in our 'car chat' forum please.
Topics on vehicles that are not built buy Lexus go in our 'car chat' forum please.
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This makes feel even better about buying the IS350!!!!!
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=163972
Not my car thank god!!
"There is 424kms on the odometer, and today after leaving a little car show I was on the highway cruising home, stepped on it a little to get into the lane then in my rear view mirror all I could see was tons and I mean tons of white smoke, then the red check engine light came on and the car stalled. I got it towed to my local BMW dealership, and its a holiday, but my salesman met me there and gave me an X5 to roll while they check my car out. It is going into service at 7am tomorrow mornig so I will keep you all updated. I have stepped on it a few times but nothing hardcore. Anyone have any ideas as to what may have happened? It was clouds of whiteish smoke coming from both exhaust tips, and even after sitting for a few minutes it was still coming out without the engine running. There was no warning or any noises or anything. The oil temp guage seemed fine and no warning sensors until this happend. There were no leaks of fluid and at glancing in the engine compartment everything looked fine. Any one have any ideas"
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=163972
Not my car thank god!!
"There is 424kms on the odometer, and today after leaving a little car show I was on the highway cruising home, stepped on it a little to get into the lane then in my rear view mirror all I could see was tons and I mean tons of white smoke, then the red check engine light came on and the car stalled. I got it towed to my local BMW dealership, and its a holiday, but my salesman met me there and gave me an X5 to roll while they check my car out. It is going into service at 7am tomorrow mornig so I will keep you all updated. I have stepped on it a few times but nothing hardcore. Anyone have any ideas as to what may have happened? It was clouds of whiteish smoke coming from both exhaust tips, and even after sitting for a few minutes it was still coming out without the engine running. There was no warning or any noises or anything. The oil temp guage seemed fine and no warning sensors until this happend. There were no leaks of fluid and at glancing in the engine compartment everything looked fine. Any one have any ideas"
:-).
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you mean in manual? CD got Automatic IS350 0-60 in 5.1 sec, and manual 335i in 4.8... 0.3 sec? hardly an difference you pay 5k for... which will shrink or dissapear with 335i Automatic...
Comparing 330i and IS350, with naturally aspirated engines, IS350 has 16% bigger displacement, and 26% more torque... thats 10% torque less than IS350 when we level off displacement, and without any penalties in mpg.
on the other hand, to build 335i Sedan, BMW had to add twin turbos to be 0.3 faster at best in 0-60 and less than that in 1/4 mile, when comparing manual to automatic IS350 plus it is now porkier at some 80lbs more - lets remember how some BMW fans loved to call IS350 porky yet when 3 series evens out with power it is now porkier. So much about technology.
of course, we wont mention heatsoaking issues that are starting to appear right after car is out, which is kind of expected anyway and you got free maintainance anyway, right? Hey, if 330i managed to win comparo when it was broken, and had catastrophic abs failure during drag strip brakings, whats a bit of heat here and there....
Comparing 330i and IS350, with naturally aspirated engines, IS350 has 16% bigger displacement, and 26% more torque... thats 10% torque less than IS350 when we level off displacement, and without any penalties in mpg.
on the other hand, to build 335i Sedan, BMW had to add twin turbos to be 0.3 faster at best in 0-60 and less than that in 1/4 mile, when comparing manual to automatic IS350 plus it is now porkier at some 80lbs more - lets remember how some BMW fans loved to call IS350 porky yet when 3 series evens out with power it is now porkier. So much about technology.
of course, we wont mention heatsoaking issues that are starting to appear right after car is out, which is kind of expected anyway and you got free maintainance anyway, right? Hey, if 330i managed to win comparo when it was broken, and had catastrophic abs failure during drag strip brakings, whats a bit of heat here and there....
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I suggest grow up fast or I'll shut the door for you. Dave just talked to you in another thread.
I can't wait to drive this. M3 light!