Luxury Sedans
July 2006 Car Sales Official Thread
Lexus Test Driver
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Originally Posted by spwolf
hm, again, I dont think anyone builds an vehicle to be last on the sales charts. And honestly, ML and X5 cost a lot more than FX, and are NOT sucessful in US market either.
Originally Posted by spwolf
Its pretty hard to argue that Infiniti is doing good.
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The 2GS sold about 30,000 for its first 3 years, and then sales dropped significantly starting in its fourth year. But I didn't consider it a failure.
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Originally Posted by GS69
Entry Level Sales:
Mid Level Sales:
- 3 Series 8,585
- ES 7,803
- TL 6,304
- C Class 5,285
- G35 3,128/2,090 - 5,218
- IS 4,848
- A4 2,917
Mid Level Sales:
- E class 4,479
- 5 Series 3,474
- M 2,293
- GS 1,776/299 - 2,075
- A6 1,652
- RL 1,272
Similar story with the M too. That car is even better than the G is, on a relative basis. Its sales are second only to the 5 series and E class. I don't think they can really be that disappointed.
To sum up, even though Infiniti is facing large Y/Y declines due to poor product management, the brand is still doing well all things considered.
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Originally Posted by biker
What feature does the A4 have that the TSX is lacking? 
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I think that the main reasons given for not considering it an entry level luxury sedan is the lack of 6 cylinder engine/RWD & the <$30 price.
I consider it entry level but can see where arguments can be made either way --- but let us not turn this into argument #3 of the sales thread (#1 - GS vs M sales, #2 BMW vs Lexus)
I consider it entry level but can see where arguments can be made either way --- but let us not turn this into argument #3 of the sales thread (#1 - GS vs M sales, #2 BMW vs Lexus)
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Originally Posted by GS69
[COLOR=Indigo]I think that the main reasons given for not considering it an entry level luxury sedan is the lack of 6 cylinder engine/RWD & the <$30 price.
I consider it entry level but can see where arguments can be made either way --- but let us not turn this into argument #3 of the sales thread (#1 - GS vs M sales, #2 BMW vs Lexus)
(As long as we keep our arguments fact-based not flame-based it's all good right?
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I wouldn't consider the TSX a luxury sedan because it doesn't even offer a V6 option (the A4 does). But then, I'll readily admit that I am biased against 4 cylinder cars.
I bet that the next TSX has a turbo 4 cyl.
I bet that the next TSX has a turbo 4 cyl.
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From: VA
Originally Posted by jrock65
I wouldn't consider the TSX a luxury sedan because it doesn't even offer a V6 option (the A4 does). But then, I'll readily admit that I am biased against 4 cylinder cars.
I bet that the next TSX has a turbo 4 cyl.
I bet that the next TSX has a turbo 4 cyl.
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Originally Posted by Tekknikal
I think Infiniti is doing OK right now. Obviously the new G Sedan should have been out already and the new G Coupe should have been coming this fall... but that aside, I think its doing well all things considered: the car has to sell itself, it has no brand name. IE if it had the Lexus, M-B, or BMW badge it would have been at the top, easily. It doesn't though, but it's still outselling the new IS (!) and keeping pace with the C class. Coupe for Coupe they've been outselling the 3 series, Ms excluded. All of this on a car that's now 4+ years old. So again, big picture, I dont think Infiniti is doing bad at all. When the G gets updated, sales will jump and theyll be doing very well.
Similar story with the M too. That car is even better than the G is, on a relative basis. Its sales are second only to the 5 series and E class. I don't think they can really be that disappointed.
To sum up, even though Infiniti is facing large Y/Y declines due to poor product management, the brand is still doing well all things considered.
Similar story with the M too. That car is even better than the G is, on a relative basis. Its sales are second only to the 5 series and E class. I don't think they can really be that disappointed.
To sum up, even though Infiniti is facing large Y/Y declines due to poor product management, the brand is still doing well all things considered.
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Originally Posted by biker
So if the Maybach had a 4 cyl engine it wouldn't be a luxury car?
But in reality, TSX is European Accord. A4's interior blows it away. This is why Audi is considered entry-luxury brand.
Of course, it is not as if Audi sells great in the US, they really dont, and a lot of that has the same reasons as why Acura is not doing that good.