Lexus will upgrade GS430 engine(spring 07)
Originally Posted by rominl
well, i wouldn't say that, yet. lexus imho isn't doing much better. the is350 has mad power, but imho the chassis can't really handle the power on turns at all. i found myself tossing the is250 around quite a bit better than the is350. i talked to couple of friends who are into cars and have driven the is350, we all think the car can't handle the power
so to me? i hope the gs460, gs450h (seems like they are doing something with the active sways), the ls460, and the upcoming ls600h, they can handle the power
so to me? i hope the gs460, gs450h (seems like they are doing something with the active sways), the ls460, and the upcoming ls600h, they can handle the power
Right, the same can be said about GS300 vs GS430, the GS300 is much more agile in the curves compared to nose heavy 430. But then again, the E class is a total pig, even the 320 feels heavy in turns. I dont know about the AMG model, I would assume its a lot better, but regular E is just blah.
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Originally Posted by rominl
well, i wouldn't say that, yet. lexus imho isn't doing much better. the is350 has mad power, but imho the chassis can't really handle the power on turns at all. i found myself tossing the is250 around quite a bit better than the is350. i talked to couple of friends who are into cars and have driven the is350, we all think the car can't handle the power
so to me? i hope the gs460, gs450h (seems like they are doing something with the active sways), the ls460, and the upcoming ls600h, they can handle the power
so to me? i hope the gs460, gs450h (seems like they are doing something with the active sways), the ls460, and the upcoming ls600h, they can handle the power
Different strokes for different folks. Many reviews, and many owners say the IS350 handles with extreme confidence.
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Originally Posted by jrock65
The 4465 lb. S550 does 0-60 in 5.3s.
So, I'd guess that the 3850 lb. E550 can do 0-60 in 5 seconds flat. Even a sub 5 second time is possible.
So, I'd guess that the 3850 lb. E550 can do 0-60 in 5 seconds flat. Even a sub 5 second time is possible.
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Originally Posted by jrock65
The 4465 lb. S550 does 0-60 in 5.3s.
So, I'd guess that the 3850 lb. E550 can do 0-60 in 5 seconds flat. Even a sub 5 second time is possible.
So, I'd guess that the 3850 lb. E550 can do 0-60 in 5 seconds flat. Even a sub 5 second time is possible.
Edmunds tested the S550:
Power: 382hp
Weight: 4270lb
0-60: 6.1
Also tested the GS450h:
Power: 339hp
Weight: 4134
0-60: 5.6
With the GS460 (probably) weighing less than the 450h, and with the extra 31 ponies, Edmunds should achieve a low 5-sec (maybe 5.2?), with Car and Driver coming in at 5.0 or possibly lower.
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
I think so, much like the cosmetic changes given to the ES300=>330 and RX330=>350 engine upgrades.
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Originally Posted by olorin
Or, you could look at it this way:
Edmunds tested the S550:
Power: 382hp
Weight: 4270lb
0-60: 6.1
Also tested the GS450h:
Power: 339hp
Weight: 4134
0-60: 5.6
With the GS460 (probably) weighing less than the 450h, and with the extra 31 ponies, Edmunds should achieve a low 5-sec (maybe 5.2?), with Car and Driver coming in at 5.0 or possibly lower.
Edmunds tested the S550:
Power: 382hp
Weight: 4270lb
0-60: 6.1
Also tested the GS450h:
Power: 339hp
Weight: 4134
0-60: 5.6
With the GS460 (probably) weighing less than the 450h, and with the extra 31 ponies, Edmunds should achieve a low 5-sec (maybe 5.2?), with Car and Driver coming in at 5.0 or possibly lower.
Originally Posted by Lenscap
Also, I thought the RX 350 received no visible changes from the RX 330 (although I could be wrong on that one).
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Originally Posted by Och
Right, the same can be said about GS300 vs GS430, the GS300 is much more agile in the curves compared to nose heavy 430. But then again, the E class is a total pig, even the 320 feels heavy in turns. I dont know about the AMG model, I would assume its a lot better, but regular E is just blah.
Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
Why would you say that? Did you drive the IS350 with the VDIM systems turned off? In most reviews, objectively speaking, the IS350 keeps up with the 330I in handling. The problem is that the reviews complain about the driving feel , not the handling of the IS350. Most people confuse the two. Fact is, Lexus never wanted, and never intended for the IS350 to have the same rock hard feel as a 330i. Lexus intented to make the IS350 a luxo sports sedan, while keeping true to Lexus values, all while pushing performance to new limits. It never wanted to make a BMW immitator.
Different strokes for different folks. Many reviews, and many owners say the IS350 handles with extreme confidence.
Different strokes for different folks. Many reviews, and many owners say the IS350 handles with extreme confidence.
imho track time is one thing, i respect that, but for most of us (including me), road feel and every day driving is probably something i focus more. i want to be confident in driving my car and push it hard every day without having the feel that it's going to flip over easily
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Ah, fair enough. That lack of confidence, according to a bunch of IS350 owners, is due to the VDIM systems always working and intruding in the driving experience. I mean VDIM is seamless according to most, but intruding in the sense of not giving you 100% complete control of the car.
Most IS350 owners and those who drove it using the "cheat mode" say the car feels wonderful. For me, I tend not to like the feel of most BMWs.
Most IS350 owners and those who drove it using the "cheat mode" say the car feels wonderful. For me, I tend not to like the feel of most BMWs.
Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
Ah, fair enough. That lack of confidence, according to a bunch of IS350 owners, is due to the VDIM systems always working and intruding in the driving experience. I mean VDIM is seamless according to most, but intruding in the sense of not giving you 100% complete control of the car.
Most IS350 owners and those who drove it using the "cheat mode" say the car feels wonderful. For me, I tend not to like the feel of most BMWs.
Most IS350 owners and those who drove it using the "cheat mode" say the car feels wonderful. For me, I tend not to like the feel of most BMWs.
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Originally Posted by rominl
come to think about it, maybe i should indeed try to take away the vdim and see how the car drives. let's just hope i don't end up in the bushes
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Originally Posted by Och
Yeah, but the GS460 should be substantially lighter than E550, and with about the same amount of power it should be at least just as fast if not faster.
Plus, the E class with its already flimzy chassis will be even flimzier with added weight.
Plus, the E class with its already flimzy chassis will be even flimzier with added weight.
The car does drive like a pig (IMHO), don't get me wrong, but that's not due to weight or a flimsy chassis.
Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
Fact is, Lexus never wanted, and never intended for the IS350 to have the same rock hard feel as a 330i.
Lexus intented to make the IS350 a luxo sports sedan, while keeping true to Lexus values, all while pushing performance to new limits. It never wanted to make a BMW immitator.
Different strokes for different folks. Many reviews, and many owners say the IS350 handles with extreme confidence.
I've yet to hear of a BMW owner buying an IS350 and say "this handles with extreme confidence!" The IS is a great vehicle, and Lexus has put an awesome engine in the IS350. But because the chassis basically isn't up to all that power they make the VDIM kick in to make it less dangerous.