This posting itself is a little out of date. Several East Coast states between Maryland and Maine have adpoted the CA emission rules. The new cars there have essentially the same CA engines.
Europe is starting to adopt both emissions and speed limits in places that formerly didn't have them....especially for diesel emissions. Japan also has horsepower limits....at least on paper. It is not actually law, but the manufacturers in the Japanese home market have "agreed" not to have any more than 276 HP in production engines...though what the engines actually run on dyno tests is often greater than that.

 

ehheh low carb diet,,, i can appreciate that, we need more turbo lexi here in cali!!

interweb = internet??? or does his post count includes lexus and acura and other forums all 2gether?

 

Actually Japan lifted the horsepower law.

 

Oh, sorry, my post was directed at the original, not yours

 

"The Day After" and "Erin Brockovich"

Come on guys...just because other states or countries ignore the environmental impact that these products may have does not mean it is a non-issue.

Put it this way in an exaggerated sense: Let's say you have an outhouse/hole in the ground. On average you produce 1 cubic foot of waste a week. The outhouse hole bacteria can break this down into non-toxic solids absorbed by the surrounding soil without any aromas, it cannot break down any more than this. (Stock motor well tuned and emitting low emissions)

The following week something changes and you are now leaving 2 cubic feet of waste. This leaves a slight delay so not too much waste product is sitting around...it does smell but it doesn't seem to bad. (O2 sensor is fouled, engine needs a tune or timing adjustment.)

For whatever reason, you didn't see the doc and the following weeks you are leaving 3 cubic feet of waste behind. The ground already has a 2 week backlog and now it's becoming obviously stinky in your yard. To top it off, your next door neighbor has been experiencing this for months but refuses to have himself checked. He's got that old 454 with dual 750's one not running well, cam timing that flows inefficiently and pukes high emissions.

Then the motherlode, you have a bunch of guests come and visit you and your outhouse for a week, some leave .5 to 4X levels. Areas like LA are a prime example of the lousy air. Imagine if every car was a ULEV?

Hopefully at some point the realization that the planet we live on holds more significance other than a selfish desire and in some industries, profit.

Other thoughts related to poisoning the planet: Having your dog drink engine coolant that some irresponsible fool let run down the gutter. This results in him convulsing and vomiting before your eyes in unimaginable pain. A sea animal that is covered in raw petroleum leaked from a spill. No humane support group can reach him to clean him up so he and 50 of his flock will die stuck in this puddle. The person living next to you pours his lacquer and paint thinner into the ground and the well that supplies part of your water is drilled 25 yards away.

 

still wouldnt change anything. Florida has done numerous studies after they lifted the smog rules, and have noticed that since the rules were lifted, the smog count went down even though the amount of cars on the road went up. they werent ULEV cars or SULEV cars either. Fact is that if you concentrate a bunch of people it one certain area and then let them burn its going to make a mess. But why must you make the rest of the people suffer because those people want to live in such proximity to each other?? If 10 million people want to live in LA, fine. Then punish them for driving all together. But if you move out the places where there less concentrations of people, then the rules should be accomodating to the area you are in. Bad example by the way...

 

We'll agree to disagree on this.

I did say it was an exaggerated perspective and obviously over simplified.

 

agreed... i think!

debates keep the brain healthy!