Self-Driving Vehicles
perhaps uber should ban their safety drivers from having phones or other electronics in the car, or require them to run an app on every device that rats them out to uber if they do something inappropriate.
I can't wait until automakers start getting sued left and right whenever there is an accident involving these systems, forcing them to abandon those ambitious but idiotic plans.
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I could be wrong, but my guess is that they will sweet-talk enough people in Congress into giving them immunity (or other limits) from prosecution, probably in the name of national security, if they can either tie in self-driving development to military needs or give that appearance. Trump would probably sign the bill.
I could be wrong, but my guess is that they will sweet-talk enough people in Congress into giving them immunity (or other limits) from prosecution, probably in the name of national security, if they can either tie in self-driving development to military needs or give that appearance. Trump would probably sign the bill.
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@och I would not put auto brake systems in the same bin, they work differently and you will certainly not let yourself go because it.
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Volvo planning on Level 4 autonomous driving in 2022 XC90. http://www.automobilemag.com/news/spa-gen-2-xc90-coming-2021-offer-level-4-autonomy/?wc_mid=4035:12423&wc_rid=4035:562510&_wcsid=BB3A7DEE51A07F5187D50AAB9F2A35C5001E5B10D05A2165
Volvo’s primary goal “is to get to Level 4 for the unsupervised part of the journey,” R&D chief Henrik Green told reporters at the factory opening here Wednesday.
By “unsupervised,” Highway Pilot will allow drivers to let the Volvo XC90 drive itself without having to be ready to take over. That was the initial plan of Volvo’s 50-car Drive Me pilot test in Gothenburg, Sweden, last year. But Volvo pulled back on letting the drivers divert their attention or even sleep while behind the wheel on approximately 30 miles of highway near company headquarters over safety concerns.
Volvo now plans to skip Level 3 because of concerns about the nebulous space between driver assistance and unsupervised self-driving vehicles, and go directly to Level 4. The Highway Pilot system will communicate with the Cloud, but will continue to drive itself if it is disconnected. You will be able to go to sleep while the XC90 drives you along certain sections of limited access commuter road, Green said.
By “unsupervised,” Highway Pilot will allow drivers to let the Volvo XC90 drive itself without having to be ready to take over. That was the initial plan of Volvo’s 50-car Drive Me pilot test in Gothenburg, Sweden, last year. But Volvo pulled back on letting the drivers divert their attention or even sleep while behind the wheel on approximately 30 miles of highway near company headquarters over safety concerns.
Volvo now plans to skip Level 3 because of concerns about the nebulous space between driver assistance and unsupervised self-driving vehicles, and go directly to Level 4. The Highway Pilot system will communicate with the Cloud, but will continue to drive itself if it is disconnected. You will be able to go to sleep while the XC90 drives you along certain sections of limited access commuter road, Green said.
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ha, great video. if guys like him had produced videos in the horse-drawn buggy era, we'd never have cars to drive. 
plus while he ponders what will self-driving cars do in many situations, he overlooks the millions of BAD (and often lethal) DECISIONS made by human drivers.
plus while he ponders what will self-driving cars do in many situations, he overlooks the millions of BAD (and often lethal) DECISIONS made by human drivers.
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ha, great video. if guys like him had produced videos in the horse-drawn buggy era, we'd never have cars to drive.
plus while he ponders what will self-driving cars do in many situations, he overlooks the millions of BAD (and often lethal) DECISIONS made by human drivers.
plus while he ponders what will self-driving cars do in many situations, he overlooks the millions of BAD (and often lethal) DECISIONS made by human drivers.
I also don't buy the horse-vs.-automobile comparison. Horses could freak out under some conditions (loud noises, storms, etc...) and become uncontrollable, putting those in the buggies at great risk. With cars, you can (usually) at least shut the engines off or shift into neutral if they start to run away. Cars also don't leave horse-dung all over the road to clean up.
I'm not totally against self-drivers, though. I can see their usefulness IF they can get the computers advanced and foolproof enough to recognize and correct for such non-standard things as temporary slowdowns, construction, accidents blocking lanes, school-zones with kids on the road, temporary lower speed limits, detours, police directing traffic, etc.... Self-drivers could, in some circumstances, allow old or disabled people more independence past the time they would normally be hanging up the keys.
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He brings up some excellent points. Replacing humans that make bad decisions with computers that make bad decisions won't get us anywhere.
I also don't buy the horse-vs.-automobile comparison. Horses could freak out under some conditions (loud noises, storms, etc...) and become uncontrollable, putting those in the buggies at great risk. With cars, you can (usually) at least shut the engines off or shift into neutral if they start to run away. Cars also don't leave horse-dung all over the road to clean up.
I also don't buy the horse-vs.-automobile comparison. Horses could freak out under some conditions (loud noises, storms, etc...) and become uncontrollable, putting those in the buggies at great risk. With cars, you can (usually) at least shut the engines off or shift into neutral if they start to run away. Cars also don't leave horse-dung all over the road to clean up.
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Claiming it is one thing.....being a reality is quite another matter. One can almost always shut an engine off or shift into neutral, unless the vehicle really has a massive electrical short that jams and/or cuts out all of the ways around it. I wouldn't completely rule that out, but it would certainly be quite rare.