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What I'm saying is: is that the First Solar building in the Uber video? If that is so, then I stand corrected and will say I'm wrong. That means the location is not correctly shown by the NYT.
What I'm saying is: is that the First Solar building in the Uber video? If that is so, then I stand corrected and will say I'm wrong. That means the location is not correctly shown by the NYT.
why do you keep defending uber by all means, and even accuse the victim on previous page?
It is very obvious even in Uber video that the victim is crossing the street just few feet away after the street lights, street lights that in Uber video were very, very dim, which made little sense. I even wrote about it in last page and of course in the new video it is well lighted area because street lights are just there.
Uber from the start was trying to manipulate media, with us hearing about pitch dark conditions, pedestrian jumping from the bushes and "sheriff" saying that uber was not to blame.... there are no bushes, it was not pitch dark and the system and test driver should have stopped the vehicle.
Are you saying the youtube video posted in post 707 (of which I took a screen capture and posted in post 710) is NOT the location of the uber footage screen captured in post 707? Looks like an exact match to me (street signs, blue hue from lights on left, street light locations, trees, etc.).
Seems pretty spot on to me.
this is exactly the same area and it is very obviously well lighted road
I have no idea what building it is. I can only say that the footage from the uber screen capture I posted in post 712 (from the uber footage released) is in the same location as the footage from youtube I screen captured also in post 712. Mind you, the uber screen capture is taken mere seconds from impact with the pedestrian (whereas obviously the youtube screen capture is only showcasing the same road at night).
I have looked further and it appears that the Google Earth which the NYT is using is slightly misleading and the incident happened before the First Solar building. I've taken a closer look at the stills of the Uber video and that looks like the building. So you are correct Patrix. Your screen grab shows pretty close to the location. The youtube video is using a better quality dashcam than the footage that the Tempe Police have released. I stand corrected.
why do you keep defending uber by all means, and even accuse the victim on previous page?
It is very obvious even in Uber video that the victim is crossing the street just few feet away after the street lights, street lights that in Uber video were very, very dim, which made little sense. I even wrote about it in last page and of course in the new video it is well lighted area because street lights are just there.
Uber from the start was trying to manipulate media, with us hearing about pitch dark conditions, pedestrian jumping from the bushes and "sheriff" saying that uber was not to blame.... there are no bushes, it was not pitch dark and the system and test driver should have stopped the vehicle.
Yes, it's a vast conspiracy vs trying to ascertain the facts as they show up. Me, Uber, Waymo, AV Cruise we're all on CL and we've got a media blitz to accuse a pedestrian of wrong doing. Sometimes the convenient/limosine liberalism SJW stuff gets old, because I doubt you knew the name of this woman before all of this... or did you?
Do you know the names of the 9 other people who died in the past week due to AZ pedestrian/vehicle collisions? And this person, her name is Elaine Herzberg and she had gone through a difficult time. So mention the name if you want to invoke faux outrage.
No sweat - lots of confusing info at this point (not uncommon in the "gotta have the story out immediately" day and age we live in), as they still haven't confirmed who the driver was for sure, Rafaela or Rafael? - man or woman? - both have been reported.
Yes, the fact that one poster on here called her an "ape" is troubling. Another has said that she had previous criminal issues w/o mentioning Uber's "second chance" program. There is absolute liability which Uber is going to bury in a civil settlement. Herzberg's friends have called on the AZ governor to stop all Uber tests in this jurisdiction. It is likely that Rafaela is essentially fired for being a distracted driver and not performing her job according to guidelines.
Yes, the fact that one poster on here called her an "ape" is troubling. Another has said that she had previous criminal issues w/o mentioning Uber's "second chance" program. There is absolute liability which Uber is going to bury in a civil settlement. Herzberg's friends have called on the AZ governor to stop all Uber tests in this jurisdiction. It is likely that Rafaela is essentially fired for being a distracted driver and not performing her job according to guidelines.
Being fired is going to be the least of her problems. At least in NYC she would be charged with automotive manslaughter and most likely do prison time.
With this being said, this is why I so passionately despise these autonomous and semi autonomous driving systems. They aren't reliable, yet they encourage the driver not to pay attention.
Being fired is going to be the least of her problems. At least in NYC she would be charged with automotive manslaughter and most likely do prison time.
With this being said, this is why I so passionately despise these autonomous and semi autonomous driving systems. They aren't reliable, yet they encourage the driver not to pay attention.
The Tempe Police chief said that they were not ruling out charges against the driver. It's likely that they are studying Uber's in-vehicle video and whatever data they can get a hold of, to see if this safety driver was doing the job that Uber hired her to do or if she was a distracted driver. But yeah, it's AZ jurisdiction vs NYC. She was the classic distracted driver who did not look up and actually looked down at the worst moment.
The Tempe Police chief said that they were not ruling out charges against the driver. It's likely that they are studying Uber's in-vehicle video and whatever data they can get a hold of, to see if this safety driver was doing the job that Uber hired her to do or if she was a distracted driver. But yeah, it's AZ jurisdiction vs NYC. She was the classic distracted driver who did not look up and actually looked down at the worst moment.
There are going to be a lot of lawyers involved in this and most likely a lot of new laws passed.
The rumors that she jumped out in front of the car and the accident was likely unavoidable are totally false based on the footage, it was the vehicles/software's fault, it did not work properly. In that situation a human driver would likely slow down and be prepared to slam on the brakes/drive more cautiously and would likely see and avoid the collusion or at least would have braked hard to reduce the severity where the computer simply kept the car going at full speed and did not even brake when a collision with a human was clearly evident. I really don't want big rigs with this flawed technology on the road let alone passenger cars everywhere.
Agree. I'm still sure self-driving cars are coming in the not-too-distant future, but what Uber's car did here was the equivalent of running someone over on an empty road in broad daylight, given car's sensor equipment. IMO, someone needs to face manslaughter charges (and not just the "safety driver").
From the NYT latest. Full article is on their website, but the gist of it is here.
SAN FRANCISCO — Uber’s robotic vehicle project was not living up to expectations months before a self-driving car operated by the company struck and killed a woman in Tempe, Ariz.The cars were having trouble driving through construction zones and next to tall vehicles, like big rigs.
And Uber’s human drivers had to intervene far more frequently than the drivers of competing autonomous car projects. Waymo, formerly the self-driving car project of Google, said that in tests on roads in California last year, its cars went an average of nearly 5,600 miles before the driver had to take control from the computer to steer out of trouble.
As of March, Uber was struggling to meet its target of 13 miles per “intervention” in Arizona, according to 100 pages of company documents obtained by The New York Times and two people familiar with the company’s operations in the Phoenix area but not permitted to speak publicly about it. Yet Uber’s test drivers were being asked to do more — going on solo runs when they had worked in pairs.
the video recording camera doesn't have enough dynamic range, so the video depicts pitch blackness.
but I'm sure a human would have seen the road much better just from ambient light.
Also, bmw and merc night vision would have allowed a human to see a person or animal crossing
The self driving car doesn't rely on the recording camera so it's irrelevant.
Originally Posted by spwolf
this is exactly the same area and it is very obviously well lighted road
Can't tell anything from images side by side taken by different cameras at different times. I can use my phone or camera and photoshop and make any scene look dark or light.
Originally Posted by Och
Being fired is going to be the least of her problems. At least in NYC she would be charged with automotive manslaughter and most likely do prison time.
i don't know Arizona law but she wasn't technically the driver
All the trashing of self driving cars is predictable but is overlooking the fatally bad decision the victim made. It's easy to say a human would have reacted perfectly... i guess that's why cars driven by people hit deer and people every day.
Very sad for the victiim and her loved ones but this will be settled and progress will continue.
All the trashing of self driving cars is predictable but is overlooking the fatally bad decision the victim made. It's easy to say a human would have reacted perfectly... i guess that's why cars driven by people hit deer and people every day.
Very sad for the victiim and her loved ones but this will be settled and progress will continue.
Progress will be made but not by Uber. They are just reinventing the wheel and faaaaar behind superior companies such as Waymo.
I really hope this kills their autonomous program so no others get hurt. Uber should just let the big boys handle it.
