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RWD platforms are generally not needed for an auto company to succeed. Hyundai and Kia prove that....they do not offer any RWD platforms in the U.S. that I know of....yet their sales are massive.
Genesis models are on RWD platforms.
Acura never had one besides NSX.
Also Hyundai/Kia is working on a real pickup truck and BOF Suv will follow.
They grew because they take risks in styling and enter variety of segments. Honda is much more conservative and risk averse.
It's an old playbook around here, make fun of Honda/Acura (or Nissan/Infiniti) to feel better about Toyota/Lexus lol. I think Honda made some bets that didn't pay off and is hurting some in the short term, but they're investing in higher margin hybrids, and also in the Indian Motorcycle market. They should survive fine.
EDIT: let me clarify, the reason the M5 doesn't hold value as well as the GSF seems to is because there is always a new version that is faster etc.
The Lexus you get ONE and that's it because the brand doesn't care about performance at all. Even then if you compare the GSF to an E39 M5 manual there is no contest of pricing if your argument is value retention.
People always defend worse cars by bringing up value, MPG, and reliability when the car can't stand on its own merits. Yet what cars do people love to drive more?
Respectfully, you are the one coping because you can’t seem to conceptualize Lexus or a Toyota is better than a German car.
Chris Harris is one of the most respected car reviewers in the world. His professional opinion holds far more weight. It is not the only opinion and just one on the GS F. But it’s a hell of an opinion.
It's an old playbook around here, make fun of Honda/Acura (or Nissan/Infiniti) to feel better about Toyota/Lexus lol. I think Honda made some bets that didn't pay off and is hurting some in the short term, but they're investing in higher margin hybrids, and also in the Indian Motorcycle market. They should survive fine.
We are discussing the vast issues Honda is having which is a high point of discussion in automotive. This is car chat where we discuss brands. So maybe get abreast on the news instead of accusing “an old playbook”.
I feel bad for Honda and the other car companies. Mainly due to them being forced into making and selling electric cars when they did not want to. This ended up costing these brands an enormous amount, as we are now seeing. It is interesting to seeing more than half, if nearly all brands, are now scaling back or dumping their electric models now that they aren't being forced into it. With these added cost, they pass that down to us with higher prices on ICE cars and less product offerings due to lowered funds. Overall, they should not have been forced into the electric car business and now they are paying the price for it.
Respectfully, you are the one coping because you can’t seem to conceptualize Lexus or a Toyota is better than a German car.
Chris Harris is one of the most respected car reviewers in the world. His professional opinion holds far more weight. It is not the only opinion and just one on the GS F. But it’s a hell of an opinion.
I was not refering to Genesis......although part of Hyundai, they are a different division.
Acura never had one besides NSX
Yep.....Correct. I was going to say that, in the 1990s, Acura marketed a RWD version of Isuzu's Trooper truck-based SUV, but upon further research, they apparently did not market a RWD version here....only part-time 4WD. It was known as the Acura SLX.
I remember Consumer Reports panning it (Not Acceptable), just like they did the Isuzu version, for its tipsy/rollover handling.
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Dozens of other opinions say the opposite and the cars people actually own/like a lot are not Lexus cars.
I test drove 4 GSFs back in 2020 before my first Audi, the performance difference was comical
There is so much more to a car than just engine power, not every car has to be a muscle car. For instance the Honda S2K has only 240hp, but its such an orgasmic overall machine, guaranteed to be a future $200k classic. The original NSX is one of the most sought after cars. The LFA, despite having much less power than other supercars, is widely considered the best supercar ever built by prominent auto reviewers. And most purists prefer older, slower German cars to the current bunch.
The GS-F is definitely one of a kind. Not perfect by a long shot, but definitely highly appreciated by many enthusiasts.
I do like the GS-F, but when I was shopping between a GS and a 5 Series, I chose the 5 Series hands down and haven't regretted it.
The B58 is legendary, and the G30 is an excellent all around luxury car.
Pedestrian GS vs pedestrian 5 series, the 5 series wins every time, if just for the much better infotainment system.
But GS-F vs M5, hands down the GS-F. Once instant classics, M cars lost their soul and became mainstream once they went turbo charged, and none of this generation M cars are going to be sought after as they age except the M2. The GS-F, instant classic.
Honda will survive, they have delivered a lot of junk, but seems like their is a demo that prefers the sportier feel and performance over a boring beige toyota, but doesnt want to be seen in a nissan or kihyndai product and its stereotypical owner base and has the money to pay the premium.
Civics and crvs seem to be their best selling products in nadm, while they really have done well globally on products smaller then that, probably much better then toyota.
