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This is actually to the advantage for Porsche - as i mentioned wealthy ppl are better suited to adopt EVs as they more likely have a private home and not as price sensitive to swallow the EV depreciation.
BMW customer base is much more price sensitive and a lot of them are badge shoppers on the lower end.
Honestly no clue what you're trying to say here.
I'm merely stating that the car is an excellent EV on paper and is priced competitively - hence my comment that it should do well.
You're comparing it to cars costing 50% more and saying that it will not do well because those more expensive cars (EVs) are not selling.
Anyway, let's agree to disagree and come back here in a year to see how it does.
My prediction is BMW will have massive write downs for 2027 and 2028 once the i3 and iX3 prove to be epic failures.
Macan and Taycan EVs were good products and even better designs yet they didn’t sell. The BMW models are not as well designed and have weird interiors while BMW customers are much less wealthy and are not willing to buy expensive EVs that may lose their value in 2 years.
Lets see who is right in March 2028 🤷♂️
BMW already sells 450k EVs with realistically outdated products.
So they are already successful with EVs.
It is also a worldwide product. US sales are tiny piece of it.
I know it is hard, but try to imagine rest of the developed world moving to EV sales at far faster pace than US.
Already is happening and is a done deal.
Back to i3 and iX3, they are very good efforts. They will just expand EV customer base, especially once lower cost models come out in 2027.
I'm merely stating that the car is an excellent EV on paper and is priced competitively - hence my comment that it should do well.
You're comparing it to cars costing 50% more and saying that it will not do well because those more expensive cars (EVs) are not selling.
Anyway, let's agree to disagree and come back here in a year to see how it does.
I was not making direct comparison of BMW and Porsche. All I’m saying is the Porsche customer has much more $$$$ than a BMW customer. Wealthy ppl are more inclined to spend $$$ on new tech / vehicles like EVs. BMW entry level consumers are driven more by badge. The ones that want luxury/ performance go for higher trims and /or M models. The current EVs have not sold well.
Like i said before let’s see the results in about 2 years from today.
I personally like the styling of the iX3 a lot. It looks way better than the ICE X3.
The interior is another story.
I think it has best chance for success but why would ppl choose it over Model Y or new Rivian R2 which will be much cheaper.
BMW already sells 450k EVs with realistically outdated products.
So they are already successful with EVs.
It is also a worldwide product. US sales are tiny piece of it.
I know it is hard, but try to imagine rest of the developed world moving to EV sales at far faster pace than US.
Already is happening and is a done deal.
Back to i3 and iX3, they are very good efforts. They will just expand EV customer base, especially once lower cost models come out in 2027.
If EVs are so successful why are all these manufacturers writing down BILLIONS of dollars and also cancelling or delaying new EV models?
I like the iX3 a lot. It looks really nice but i just wish they leaned in more on BMWness of the brand instead of the Tesla philosophy when it came to interior.
Hell - it comes with fixed glass roof with NO shade 👎 that alone would be a no go for me and my wife lol
No kidding. Similarly some predict Tesla will lose some sale to this i3 but like your argument, I don't think it would be significant if any. While the range is impressive, it's not really the category that most use for long distant driving. 10-20k is not something that these buyers would overlook for a better range and some extra features.
I think Tesla will not be impacted much at all.
The updated Model 3 is hard to beat and still offers better tech than this new i3 will have (iDrive 9 or whatever). I also prefer the cleaner design of the Model 3 and better proportions.
Its like BMW trying to beat Tesla at its own game instead finding their own attributes. They pretty much removed any strain of BMW brand from the interior.
The Neu Classe models are a huge investment and if they fail - BMW may not recover. They are not a big company like VW or Toyota.
Again let’s talk in 2028 when the results are clear.
BMW is the notable exception. They did not take a massive write-down because they used a "flexible" architecture that allows them to build gas, hybrid, and electric cars on the same line.
BMW is fine. Here's a summary of the write downs and sales worldwide of the legacy car companies
Top 10 Legacy EV Performance
This chart is terrible, the US automakers really messed up, especially that they probably got a bunch of subsidies from the government. Probably the usual reckless short term planning from the big three that will continue as long as they keep getting bailed out.
Surprised at Honda, to the best of my knowledge they didn't even have any EVs for sale in the US, what the hell happened?
Props to BMW, I've always said EVs should look like normal cars and have normal interiors instead of trying to be ipads with wheels and an ugly bodykit.
BMW is fine. Here's a summary of the write downs and sales worldwide of the legacy car companies
Top 10 Legacy EV Performance
All these companies killing off their EVs and wasting billions are going to experience severe whiplash when the US government invariably changes again in a couple years. I guarantee all these CAFE numbers and EV mandates will be reinstated. Then they’ll be left with an ICE mostly lineup that will have to phased out by 2035.
All these companies killing off their EVs and wasting billions are going to experience severe whiplash when the US government invariably changes again in a couple years. I guarantee all these CAFE numbers and EV mandates will be reinstated. Then they’ll be left with an ICE mostly lineup that will have to phased out by 2035.
Roughly 100 billion industry loss, common sense says its the EVs that should be phased out.
If EVs are so successful why are all these manufacturers writing down BILLIONS of dollars and also cancelling or delaying new EV models?
I like the iX3 a lot. It looks really nice but i just wish they leaned in more on BMWness of the brand instead of the Tesla philosophy when it came to interior.
Hell - it comes with fixed glass roof with NO shade 👎 that alone would be a no go for me and my wife lol
I have yet to see two interiors that look so disssimilar
