I thought I'd go ahead and start a new thread and have a place dedicated to talk about this- instead of it coming up in other EV threads.

Just a thought experimemt on Evs and Phevs when it comes to power grids.

As you all know. I say just build more power grids! 😀📣💯

But others may disagree.

(Fair warning, political posts and political dog whistling will be reported immediately)

Please make your best case and play fair and lift your fellow members up.

>> Ev owners, please go easy on the noobs...

 

This would all be irrelevant if we just embrace the N word.

 

The N word here is noob.
Aka, non ev owner like myself.

 

The grid has plenty of capacity.

Regardless, EVs account for a small percentage of total electricity consumption. By most estimates it's well under 1%.

Furthermore, EV owners are broadly incentivized to charge overnight when rates are at their lowest because excess capacity is at its greatest

There was no federal mandate to move to all electric vehicles. The fear-mongering relating to future EV impact on grid capacity was mostly mischievous.

 

I've heard a lot of arguements shaming Ev owners for loading the grid and stuff.

I never bought into that idea.
Everyone pays for whatever electric they use anyway.

Just ideas, please feel free to shoot it down.

 

The whole argument is just people who are anti-EV grasping at straws. These same people have no issue with the construction of AI data centers which use massive amounts of electricity. They also don't conserve energy in their own lives, or worry about people who have heated pools or hot tubs or other power hungry things in their own homes. These people are also usually anti goiv't incentives for things like green building credits which incentivize the construction of energy efficient buildings, which shows they aren't actually worried about electricity demand.

 

I am more concerned about the data centers and related issues than EV power demands

 

Oh yeah, I never saw that coming.
I had no idea what the power requirements for ai were expected to be.

Blows my.mind.
Makes Ev power needs look like nothing.

 

AI data center electricity needs and consumption is insane. Massive amounts of water is also needed for cooling. This picture below I generated probably killed a tree


My mascot, Teddy BTW

EV charging is not even a blip

 

That's not true. There is a huge pushback on data centers here in SC. People understand supply and demand, no matter where the demand comes from.

Wanna know where all the data centers are going? North Virginia, right outside of DC. And the same people that want you to cut back and drive what they want you to drive don't say a thing about it. Why? Because they want all that tax revenue.

 

Here in PA they shut down and dismantled a coal fired power plant in Homer city PA. Then a new gas fired power plant is proposed to be built to power only the data center (on the same property) so they state many new jobs being created and the locals are realizing they may be paying more for electricity.
Also a large water reservoir will be used from the old power plant to cool the data center.
We will see how this all comes together for job creation and how we fair with our electric bills.

Latest news on it

 

I agree with Frank. More Nuclear-reactor power-plants and more generation. The more AI centers get built, and the more people drive and charge EVs, the more critical this will become to avoid power losses. This will also create a lot more JOBS.

 

Not "all" of them.

 

Good point, Bob. I live in Northern Virginia, which is (arguably), along with Suburban Montgomery County across the river in Maryland, the most vigorous local economy in the U.S.....only Silicon Valley in California comes close. Home-values have been driven up to the point that the real-estate/property taxes have really become a crushing burden for a lot of people here. Some are actually moving out because they can't afford it anymore.

 

EV'S and AI data centers have nothing to do with each other. Maybe you should turn off your AC in the summer and put your money where your mouth is. Respectfully