Nope.....with all due-respect, bit, you are incorrect. While I myself am not necessarily a fan of big engines, AJT123 does, in fact, speak for a lot of Americans....particularly when you get away from some of the larger cities.

 

Says the guy who drives a 3 cyl car lol

Bottom line is most Americans clearly don't prefer V8s nor do they prioritize engine size in general over economy or overall cost. Buying behavior shows us that as do all the data that comes from surveys of what is important to modern US carbuyers. V8 engines are clearly of value to large truck buyers and in certain segments, like the flagship luxury vehicle segment where the V8 is clearly what sells the best, but in almost all the other segments where a V8 is still offered the cheaper, more economical engine is the sales leader.

 

Well, I speak for many. They can't keep V8 Rams on the lot for more than 3-5 days lol. Are you against V8s coming back? If so why do you care? There will still be EVs to buy, forever.

It would at least be desirable with a fire-breathing V8 in it. Just for that alone. Like I said, LX sucks but a proper V8 would right a lot of wrongs.

We've done the V8 debate thing.... however...

I just want to point out that while you say that, you absolutely had to have the V8 version of your car. The I-6 S500 is barely behind it much in acceleration.... but still it's just not the same as a V8. And I don't blame you.

 

no different than someone driving slow in a sportscar, youre not using it what its designed for. Do we criticize sportscar drivers when that happens? What about someone that drives a sedan that is empty 90% of the time?

 

I love V8s, and like I said this segment of cars the V8 is what people want. BUT, I also am a car enthusiast and I have lots of disposable money. Most people are not like me, or other people who buy $140,000 flagship luxury sedans. Most people are on a budget and a car is largely or entirely an appliance to them and the benefit of the V8 vs the cost of it isn't attractive to them. Hence in the Jeep Grand Cherokee Pentastar sales dramatically outpaced Hemi sales, thats a vehicle that sells more to a mainstream consumer. Even in the luxury space, GLS450s dramatically outsell GLS580s, GLE350s dramatically outsell GLE450s which dramatically outsell GLE580s. X5s & X7s the 6 cyl dramatically outsells the V8 versions of those cars. MB and BMW have stopped putting the V8 in the 5 and E Class (other than the M5) because there isn't demand there.

If consumers truly wanted the larger engines in all manner of cars buyer behavior and study data would show that and it just doesn't.

Honestly? I don't think even I would get a GLS580 over a GLS450 or a GLE580 over a GLE450 or a V8 X5 or X7, or even a V8 Range Rover over a 6 cyl model. The V8 just doesn't feel as important in those vehicles to me as it does in the sedan, and the cost difference is just not worth it. For instance a GLS580 is like $750 a month more than a similar GLS450, not worth it. Range Rover I would get the PHEV, and thats what I would get in the GLS or X7 also. Certainly in the X5 because it comes with the B58 I6, the GLE I would still get the 450 over the PHEV because the GLE450e has the 4 cyl.

In a RAM because I am used to FI, I would almost certainly choose the Hurricane.

 

I drove the X7 yesterday and I had to get on it a little bit (50% or so throttle) to merge on the highway and I thought to myself this B58 has plenty of power. Sure the S68 would be even more effortless but in our case not needed coupled with being lesser reliable option of the two. I told my wife I would 100% buy this exact same B58 X7 again.

If I were a Ram buyer I would more likely choose the hurricane over the Hemi as well.

If Toyota ever sorts out the V35A crisis, I may be in the market. Only thing I think could convince me keeping my V8 over a reliable V35A is a blower on the 5.7

 

Come on...read my ****ing post. Did I not say that I don't necessarily care for V8s or big engines...and don't need one? But I am intelligent enough to know that many Americans DO want them....just look at the many comments right here.

 

14. It will be 14% will be used for actual truck things. Maybe.

 

Some do, but most don’t. My point stands, you clearly don’t either.

 

better upgrade that exhaust. It better rumble.

 

Two Motortrend tests posted over the last week or so. One was of a Ram with the Hemi, and it said that while the Hemi suited that particular truck the Hurricane was the better engine, and one was a bake off between the Hemi V8 and the Hurricane I6, and the Hurricane placed first.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/...st-test-review

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...omparison-test

 

What you're not hearing from me is that having a monster V8 at the top end of the model spectrum is part of the appeal of the whole car/truck... Like the Escalade V, your car (I'd never need above your V8 but S63 for those that just have to have the most etc).

Honda is changing the sounds of all their hybrids because of Americans.... Ripping that 2.0t away from the Accord was a big mistake.

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https://www.autoblog.com/news/honda-...-for-americans

Honda Is Reportedly Making Its Next-Gen Hybrids Sound Good Because of Us

Honda's future hybrid models will sound better than the current fleet. You can thank the American market for that.



Don’t get us wrong. The current Honda Civic Hybrid, or Civic e:HEV in other markets, already has a distinct, slightly gruff tone when you push it, especially under hard acceleration. But if you’ve ever thought it sounds a bit too reserved, Honda seems to agree – at least for American buyers.

Speaking with CarBuzz at Honda’s Tochigi Proving Ground, an engineer openly acknowledged what many enthusiasts already know: “Americans like loud cars, so we had to make this one sound extra good for them.”

But if you’ve ever thought it sounds a bit too reserved, Honda seems to agree – at least for American buyers.

Speaking with CarBuzz at Honda’s Tochigi Proving Ground, an engineer openly acknowledged what many enthusiasts already know: “Americans like loud cars, so we had to make this one sound extra good for them.”

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Just give us the 2.0t back, I'm sure it gets 35MPG.... It was lightning quick and supposedly one of the better turbo 4s out there.

 

And this surprises you why? Horsepower is a calculated figure most heavily influenced by rotational speed (HP = TQ x RPM/5252). Diesels don't have to spin very fast to make huge torque, and that's the entire point. The 6.7 Cummins has a 3200 rpm redline and torque peaks around 2700.

I personally was surprised to see it makes more hp than the 6.4 Hemi. That's unusual, and underscores what a monster the Cummins is. My own two 3.0L TT engines currently make ~500hp/400lbft (gas) and ~300hp/600lbft (diesel). The Diesel was 225/425 stock.

 

As usual price and running expense trumps product quality etc, especially when cars are just a way to get around for 95% of people.

 

they can claim its "better mpg" based on the sticker but in real world testing, its similar to the hemi, often worse. Even the tundras 3.4 V 6TT makes lackluster mpg against current V8s. Par for the course for turbocharged engines.