Originally Posted by ArmyofOne

As of right now, the LS460 has only minor seepage from the timing cover and valve cover/HPFP gaskets. Not the end of the world. But, with that said this car has spent more time in my shop apart than it has on the road in the last 2 years. Every time I think i have it fixed, either I don't or something else rears its ugly head. It's supposed to be my daily. I love slinging wrenches, but I have other cars that I would prefer to spend my time on. If this is going to be another project than I can treat it as such, take it off the road awhile, park it in the back of the shop and get to it some year. But that's a lousy way for a car to live and I already have 3 other cars in that situation.

Originally Posted by peteharvey

I am surprized.
I thought Lexus was supposed to be reliable - especially the LS460.

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

and with a 30k cap on a used ‘nice’ car… he’s still going to be wrenching or paying.

Originally Posted by ArmyofOne

Well this thread took a bit of a nostalgic turn gents LOL. As of right now, the LS460 has only minor seepage from the timing cover and valve cover/HPFP gaskets. Not the end of the world. But, with that said this car has spent more time in my shop apart than it has on the road in the last 2 years. Every time I think i have it fixed, either I don't or something else rears its ugly head. It's supposed to be my daily. I love slinging wrenches, but I have other cars that I would prefer to spend my time on. If this is going to be another project than I can treat it as such, take it off the road awhile, park it in the back of the shop and get to it some year. But that's a lousy way for a car to live and I already have 3 other cars in that situation.

I want a 3rd row SUV, I would prefer NOT to have the sophisticated hybrid stuff, though in toyota/lexus' case it’s not a deal killer. I really love the GX460s, but it seems that the RX350L has more cargo space behind the 3rd row, and has significantly better fuel economy and road manners. So I don't know. I have honestly thought about buying a 2017 LS460 with the lowest miles I can find too, but again, there are elephant's in the room with these cars that I just don't care to deal with.

Originally Posted by Striker223

If you want an XF40 you need to just nuke it from orbit all at once, I didn't even start driving mine before I did EVERYTHING to fully reset it for that reason. Because I did we have had no issues from it but it would have had annoying little issues if I didn't take that approach.

If you want max reliability out of an RX the hybrid is actually the better choice, the trans is the eCVT and never fails or has any sort of problems. Accessories are also much more resilient and if the goal is to just drive and not touch it the hybrids are better for that

The GX is essentially just a 4Runner with all the same packaging and rust issues, if you aren't going to leverage the off road aspects it's just not as refined. The LX at least has the AHC suspension to give it a flagship esque ride

Originally Posted by mmarshall

It's not tough at all, under the right circumstances, to drop down from a more-expensive or larger vehicle to a less-expensive and/or smaller one. I've done it in my own life, at least four times.....once in 1975, in response to high gas prices and long gas lines, from a older full-size car to a brand-new compact. Once in the early 1980s, from a (lemon) of a Chrysler Lebaron to a Madza GLC. Once in 2006, when I went from a Lexus IS300 to a Subaru Outback for better winter traction (the RWD IS300 was well-built but simply crap in the winter). And, more recently, from a big Buick Lacrosse to a subcompact (but far more useful and applicable) Encore GX. And, in some cases, those who join religious orders (even as lay person, not a priest or nun) are required, by the rules of the order, as a sign of humility, not to own vehicles of an expensive or luxury nature.

Originally Posted by SW17LS

Pretty sure you have never owned a car of this caliber. I have owned several, and have stepped down from that to a transverse/FWD Lexus. So, I think my viewpoint has merit since thats specifically what he is considering doing. I don't recommend it unless its something you have to do, after being used to a car like the LS something like an RX or a Highlander etc won't be fulfilling from my own experience.

Originally Posted by ArmyofOne

And now im looking at 2015+ LS460L's

Originally Posted by BayeauxLex

A nice black LS460 SWB pulled next to me on highway today on our roadtrip and I told my wife I really liked our LS then I downshifted the :

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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex

He won’t have to on a RX450HL which checks his boxes…3 row SUV, fuel efficient, doesn’t require wrenching,



RX450HL. Though the 3rd row is for a toddler or a preteen. Close family member recently went from a 3 row RX to TX.

In our old RX450h from the dealership (I reset it before we left) to 47k miles later my wife averaged 27mpg and she drives like Striker and idles like every other mom in carpool and drive thru lines. I could easily get 30-35mpg driving it.

The steering on our RX450h was a lot more smooth than on our 570. I believe RX had electric steering whereas the LX isn’t. Not sure if GX is same as LX. But it’s the first thing I noticed driving the LX after owning the RX. Test drove GX460 prior to the LX and it was immediate no. Just wasn’t for us.



Driving my PHEV RAV4 made my wife miss our RX450H and it was the beginning of the end for the LX 570

Originally Posted by ArmyofOne

And now im looking at 2015+ LS460L's

Originally Posted by SW17LS

Getting something very different is not the same thing. In my case I went to a similar type of car just much cheaper and less sophisticated. When it’s a totally different sort of car you’re not always comparing it to the much better car you had.

If I was going to get something much cheaper, which I have considered, I would get an SUV. I wouldn’t however go to a FWD based SUV.

Originally Posted by Striker223

I also agree with this, I do not compare my Volvo to my cars for example....I compare it to my Jeep and it's way better on road and comfort wise.

Originally Posted by Margate330

I have always liked the Volvo interiors.

Originally Posted by Striker223

Or go with a 600hL full exec pack to get the smoothest thing Lexus has ever made