He has always over promised, but I recall Toyota promising us 1000 mile SSB's since 2016. Haven't seen one yet.
Tesla is not even in the top 5 most dangerous cars:



Model Y is the best selling car in California, which is pretty much like a country in itself, so with so many on the road here, I'm surprised the numbers are so low

I understand preferring to cherrypick certain models among all vehicles on US highways, but as a brand Tesla is reportedly the deadliest in 2024. Has the Tesla death march subsided in 2025?

Tesla named 'The Deadliest Car Brand in America', NHTSA data shows

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...a/76335529007/

Yes, it's gone down by 8.6 percent since 2024 according to the latest crash data. But these crashes have more to do with risky behavior, the author of a recent study from iSeecars (summarized by Motortrend) explicitly warned:

"That study is about risk over those years, not “which automaker had the most deaths in 2025,” and the authors explicitly warn that things like driver behavior and vehicle type mix play a big role—so it’s not as simple as “Brand X is unsafe.”

It's all about driver behavior, and the type of driver. Here in the Bay area, Tesla has a lot of younger drivers, and inexperienced drivers. I work for a medical device startup where a lot of the engineers are H1B visa holders that are in their mid 20's that drive Tesla's, many are new drivers that have little driving experience. It's the same with Subaru drivers, many of them are younger reckless drivers that are always eager to race. You're trying to spin a car as being unsafe because you just don't like the brand. At least that's the way I see it

Anyway I'm not sure how an AA/ACP thread turned into a Tesla crash statics thread. AA/AAC have nothing to do with crashes or death statics

Well... you are the one that began posting links to crash stats. Regardless, I think it's reasonable that distracted driving is part of the Tesla accident rate equation.

Cheers.

My bad. I don't see how, but if that's the conclusion you are coming to, you have every right to that opinion

At the end of the day, the consumer benefits by having a choice. To steam music from a Tesla 3/Y one has to pay a $10 per month to have Apple or Spotify on their centre screen…and most of the maps features only work with that $10 per month subscription, why pay Tesla when Apple Car Play lets the owner do it all from their phone?

the Tesla business model of charging for infotainment access is archaic …’

makes no sense…and sadly Tesla is trying to nickel dime model three and model Y owners…very quietly…Tesla s and Tesla X offer free premium subscriptions…

come on Tesla, offer Apple car play already

That’s a good point. You also have to pay for premium streaming to use the built in music apps in the Mercedes too

Tesla is hardly unique in asking customers to pay for data.

But the open exists for the Mercedes user to use Apple Car Play?

I remember reading somewhere that one of the sticking points was how much access to car data Telsa was willing to give Apple. Elon sees Apple as a threat.

Tesla is at a competitive disadvantage by not offering Apple CarPlay. Consumers want it. Just offer it.

it’s not about paying for data, you can’t use the free versions of those music apps through the onboard system. You have to pay for the premium versions. Through CarPlay you can listen to the free versions.

Um... You have to pay for Spotify and others you mentioned even if you use AA/ACP. Good try though

You can still stream them from your phone, I stream stuff like Amazon Music from my phone, and I can even control the music directly on the screen