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Old Dec 4, 2025 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Striker223
I don't go that far to say a T4 is anywhere near the same as an NA8, they lag badly or have no top end at all. Response is also very rubber bandy

If you only ever putt around though I can somewhat see people not understanding or feeling the difference, maybe.
I didn't say I would take a T4 over a NA V8 lol The modern T4s with 48v don't have issues with lag.

I don't have any interest in a 4cyl anything, personally.

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no other brand has Lexus reliability.
none!
Other cars are plenty reliable. Having gone from Toyotas and Lexuses to Chryslers and Mercedes, life is pretty much the same from a car repair standpoint.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I didn't say I would take a T4 over a NA V8 lol The modern T4s with 48v don't have issues with lag.
of course they do, just depends on how loosely one uses the term... my parents had a 2019 C300 and that was a slug until it hit 2000 rpm, unless you were actively shifting with the paddles to keep the rpms where they needed to be you had to be very deliberate when it came time to pass somebody

even the turbo I6 + 48V in the GLE450 has "issues" with lag but again only a truly pedantic enthusiast type would realize lol
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Old Dec 4, 2025 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Stroock639
of course they do, just depends on how loosely one uses the term... my parents had a 2019 C300 and that was a slug until it hit 2000 rpm, unless you were actively shifting with the paddles to keep the rpms where they needed to be you had to be very deliberate when it came time to pass somebody

even the turbo I6 + 48V in the GLE450 has "issues" with lag but again only a truly pedantic enthusiast type would realize lol
That about sums up what I've felt with them too, it's not the "holy crap where is it" type of lag like on pre hybrid T4s but it's still there and can be invoked at any time. You need to actively manage them to avoid it like you said, you aren't going to do a 6th gear tip in to pick up 30 mph to quickly go past someone.
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Old Dec 4, 2025 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Striker223
That about sums up what I've felt with them too, it's not the "holy crap where is it" type of lag like on pre hybrid T4s but it's still there and can be invoked at any time. You need to actively manage them to avoid it like you said, you aren't going to do a 6th gear tip in to pick up 30 mph to quickly go past someone.
that's the most fun type of lag


in forza i love using the XJ220 for that reason, you basically need to get on the throttle super early and hope you got the timing right for the turbos to spool just as the corner straightens out... too early you spin out and too late you lose massive amounts of time waiting for the boost to build
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Old Dec 4, 2025 | 01:44 PM
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It's only anecdotal "evidence", but over the years the most costly car to maintain/fix (that I've owned) had been.... '08 LS460 . It's too early to say, but in 1.5 years of ownership (and 20k miles), the '21 BMW 530i has been bulletproof. So were the '12 Jetta TDI (literally 0 issues in 70K+ miles) and only couple minor problems with my current German-made Buick Regal Tourx (150k+ miles driven). Oh... there were only couple cars that left us (me/wife/daughter) stranded over the years - Honda Fit (broken drive shaft - twice!) and Mazda CX9 (transmission-manufactured by Aisin). The clear distinction between "most" and "least" reliable brands is nearly gone.
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Old Dec 4, 2025 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Stroock639
of course they do, just depends on how loosely one uses the term... my parents had a 2019 C300 and that was a slug until it hit 2000 rpm, unless you were actively shifting with the paddles to keep the rpms where they needed to be you had to be very deliberate when it came time to pass somebody

even the turbo I6 + 48V in the GLE450 has "issues" with lag but again only a truly pedantic enthusiast type would realize lol
If you drive normally its really not an issue.
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Old Dec 4, 2025 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobmaine
no other brand has Lexus reliability.
none!
No other brand has Lexus' boringness
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Old Dec 4, 2025 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Stroock639
that's the most fun type of lag

https://youtu.be/Xes90GSpnGU?t=35

in forza i love using the XJ220 for that reason, you basically need to get on the throttle super early and hope you got the timing right for the turbos to spool just as the corner straightens out... too early you spin out and too late you lose massive amounts of time waiting for the boost to build
Yes but that's annoying as hell day to day to just get usable torque vs an insane extra heap on top. I like supercharged V8s or NA/TT12s the best because it is ALWAYS there and linear as hell.
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Old Dec 4, 2025 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by stasek
It's only anecdotal "evidence", but over the years the most costly car to maintain/fix (that I've owned) had been.... '08 LS460 . It's too early to say, but in 1.5 years of ownership (and 20k miles), the '21 BMW 530i has been bulletproof. So were the '12 Jetta TDI (literally 0 issues in 70K+ miles) and only couple minor problems with my current German-made Buick Regal Tourx (150k+ miles driven). Oh... there were only couple cars that left us (me/wife/daughter) stranded over the years - Honda Fit (broken drive shaft - twice!) and Mazda CX9 (transmission-manufactured by Aisin). The clear distinction between "most" and "least" reliable brands is nearly gone.
Yep, there are also quite a lot of us on here who have owned Lexus and other brands as well. None of us have come screaming or regretting picking "unreliable" alternatives
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Old Dec 4, 2025 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Striker223
I was talking about LX vs the trucks lol!

You already know the 3rd gen reliability is trash as well
What’s the reliability on the LX? And the LS500? I haven’t heard of a lot of LS engine failures unless I haven’t searched enough.

Originally Posted by Stroock639
that's the most fun type of lag

https://youtu.be/Xes90GSpnGU?t=35

in forza i love using the XJ220 for that reason, you basically need to get on the throttle super early and hope you got the timing right for the turbos to spool just as the corner straightens out... too early you spin out and too late you lose massive amounts of time waiting for the boost to build
Love the video!!

I had a laggy setup on my Honda. It sucked on track!! Fun on street. Went to a smaller turbo and dropped 4 seconds at one particular track but doesn’t make big power. Stock turbo maxes out at around 400-420hp. The big turbo setup I had was capable of 600+ but it was lazy under 4k rpm. I’m running a setup that’s in between with stock turbo spool time.

Originally Posted by FrankReynoldsCPA
No other brand has Lexus' boringness
Man I never thought this until I experienced life after Lexus. With that being said, I’ve never had a Lexus in for service.

Honestly I thought I would get bored of a LC500🫣



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Old Dec 5, 2025 | 10:45 AM
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yeah man i get you once you get used to that ls smoothness its hard to look at anything else my friend had a super clean ls430 and he still says nothing hes driven since feels the same not even newer bmws or audis

if you want something close without jumping to an s class the g90 is honestly the closest vibe right now super quiet comfy and pretty reliable for what it is also the older lexus gs cars are kinda underrated if you dont mind going used they have a similar solid feel

but yeah the ls500 fading out sucks lexus kinda let it fall behind and now the old ones feel better than the new stuff in some ways
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Old Dec 5, 2025 | 03:46 PM
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Lol I still haven't changed the oil on my LX yet and I reset the oil light just to not have to look at it lol...

It's reliable lol. I've owned it I think 5 years? No issues except an alternator which my spouse fried accidentally.
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Old Dec 5, 2025 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Lol I still haven't changed the oil on my LX yet and I reset the oil light just to not have to look at it lol...

It's reliable lol. I've owned it I think 5 years? No issues except an alternator which my spouse fried accidentally.
I do the same every 5k miles in truck and Prius.
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Old Dec 5, 2025 | 04:39 PM
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You haven’t changed the oil in 5 years?!? That’s crazy.
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Old Dec 5, 2025 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
You haven’t changed the oil in 5 years?!? That’s crazy.
No, he's had it done before, he just says he's had the truck for 5 years and he has done this habit of going past the 5k a bit before changing it and so far it hasn't died.

I don't expect it will. He'll probably get it to 200-300k just fine.
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