Yep, as long as the boost is there it's great. Best option is an FI 12 though lol! Off boost those things hit as hard as a TTV8 and boost comes in insanely early

 

I use synthetic oil in my NA V8 anyway. I have let it run longer intervals (10k) than my BMW(5k), but I wouldn't let oil changes be the reason not to get a turbocharged car.

I love my truck to death, always will, but there's something about the instant torque in my car that makes me feel lacking when I have to wring out the Coyote for torque comparatively.

 

On most modern engines, rhe computer retards the timing if it detects knock from low octane. Granted, that lowers power and sometimes adds heat, but it prevents piston damage.

I can't say about where you live in Ohio, but, in the D.C. area, there is a BIG difference between 87 and 93 octane on one's wallet.

 

Interesting. Many commenters, even here in Car Chat, feel the opposite. They dislike turbo-lag even with more power, and comment on how NA engines have quicker and more linear response. That is, of course, if instant power is one's cup of tea. I myself don't care, either way, with my conservative driving style....I've never had a vehicle with either a turbo or NA powerplant that I thought was underpowered, with one possible exception...my 2006 Outback. The NA 2.5L flat-four and 4-speed automatic, hooked to AWD, was (borderline) underpowered....but it was absolutely unstoppable on winter roads.

 

You're reading different posts than I am. People who feel that way are overwhelmingly owners of NA engines lol. Those of us who have actually gone to FI engines overwhelmingly like them, three of them have replied the same in this very thread. Turbo lag isn't an issue in modern engines really.

When you get used to all the power available at 2,000 RPM in a FI engine, going back to having to wring one out to 5,000 RPM to get it makes them feel lethargic.

 

Correct, the computer is forced to ride the knock sensors and REACT to knock that is damaging the rings. On higher octane there is no timing pull because there is no low level knock to detect and correct for



Price difference here is not the best but I have a dozen customers who switched to 93 and it gained them 5-8mpg and no more oil consumption

 

as someone with both they each have their desirable characteristics

the 1UZ revs beautifully and has a lovely linear power delivery, the M113K is just an absolute brute and delivers more fun for more of the time... i agree driving the LS after the E55 it does feel unusually sluggish, but that last 1500 rpm is just glorious and (not to sound too much like clarkson) no regular turbo engine can deliver the emotion or wonderful intake noise that winding out a high strung n/a engine can

 

I love having an NA engine that hits 430lb/ft at 1200rpm but stuff like that is in the extreme minority, of all my V8s the TT one is the best by far for that low end punch.

Sure I can find the lag if I want to but at the end of the day a TTV8 off boost for a half second is just what an NA V8 is stuck with its whole RPM band. The LS460 literally feels like something is wrong with it when I drive it lol!

 

Exactly

For day to day driving where you aren't winding the engine out its hard to go back. In the Pacifica we have the hybrid battery assist which really boosts the power down low compared with the NA V6, so while not FI it has some of the same characteristics, and now whenever I drive anything NA (most recently even the 6.2L V8 Yukon) it feels very heavy and lethargic in day to day driving. When you're used to beating anything off from a light with 1/3rd to 1/2 throttle its hard to go back.

 

yes yes i agreed with your point but come on even you know there's actual tangible qualities to a proper n/a engine that a modern turbo engine can't deliver... you'd need to be an enthusiast to notice them but something like an S2000, C63, and on the extreme end an LFA deliver an experience that a forced induction engine can't replicate

 

Oh of course there are, I’m just talking about in everyday driving.

 

Our everyday driver turbo car is a diesel so it has great punch down low....and that's it. Nothing past that, you go for the rest of the power and discover that's all it has lol!

 

May sound crazy but as great as the LC500 sounds, I chose the B58 over it due to me loving boost🫣

Even with its beefy V8, my wife always felt the LX 570 was lethargic. I told her to put it in sport mode but with hauling around kids, she wouldn’t remember to do that each time we got in the LX 570. She even felt the PHEV RAV4 was more responsive than the LX. Now with the B58, she has no complaints. The power delivery is effortless.

Now I ran a few tanks of 93 in my truck and I never seen any increase like this. However when we used to have a MDX wife was being cheap and pumped 87 instead of 93 and the mpg drastically decreased. Like 4-5mpg. Never again.

 

Yes but like you said, it was a truck lol!

 

I would absolutely choose the B58 over the LC500 for everyday driving. That’s why they didn’t put that engine in the LS500, too high revving.