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Old 05-09-24, 04:50 PM
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https://www.clublexus.com/articles/l...ure-es-models/

Not sure if this should go in the EV section or not, as it covers both hybrid and BEV rumors, but what we know... Lexus has filed trademark applications in Japan for the ES 350h, ES 350e, and ES 500e.
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Looks like "e" is now for PHEV and not BEV. Most of this car will just be a carryover from the Crown, so EV's are not physically possible on that platform.
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Originally Posted by Motorola
Looks like "e" is now for PHEV and not BEV. Most of this car will just be a carryover from the Crown, so EV's are not physically possible on that platform.
AFAIK:
The code for hybrids is "h".
The code for plugin hybrids is "h+".
Meanwhile, the code for EV's is "e", just like the Lexus UX300e EV with a 75 kWh battery pack on the TNGA GA-C platform.

Hence, the ES350e is probably an EV with a smaller battery pack.
While the ES500e is an EV with a bigger battery pack.
Both built on GA-K ICEV platforms.

If ES350e & ES500e used the e-TNGA dedicated EV platform with longer wheelbases and wider tracks for larger battery packs, then they would be designated EZ350e & EZ500e - just like the RZe.
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Originally Posted by peteharvey
AFAIK:
The code for hybrids is "h".
The code for plugin hybrids is "h+".
Meanwhile, the code for EV's is "e", just like the Lexus UX300e EV with a 75 kWh battery pack on the TNGA GA-C platform.

Hence, the ES350e is probably an EV with a smaller battery pack.
While the ES500e is an EV with a bigger battery pack.
Both built on GA-K ICEV platforms.

If ES350e & ES500e used the e-TNGA dedicated EV platform with longer wheelbases and wider tracks for larger battery packs, then they would be designated EZ350e & EZ500e - just like the RZe.
Interesting. Would the vehicles based upon the GA-K then follow similar specs to the Crown?
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Originally Posted by LexusForever
Interesting. Would the vehicles based upon the GA-K then follow similar specs to the Crown?
Yes, the 8ES could follow the engine lineup of the Crown GA-K.
There is certainly the forthcoming ES350h.
Plus, the forthcoming ES350e and ES500e BEV's.
However, due to those two new BEV engine options, I'm not sure if the ES350 model number will continue with a 2.4 L Turbo like the Crown GA-K?
Below is TMC's 2022 timeline for EV's with the 2025 ES BEV; though I'm not too keen on the six-light window design at the C-pillar.

There is an IS replacement coming as a fully electrified model - probably with the dedicated e-TNGA platform under the name "IZe".

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Originally Posted by peteharvey
Yes, the 8ES could follow the engine lineup of the Crown GA-K.
There is certainly the forthcoming ES350h.
Plus, the forthcoming ES350e and ES500e BEV's.
However, due to those two new BEV engine options, I'm not sure if the ES350 model number will continue with a 2.4 L Turbo like the Crown GA-K?
Below is TMC's 2022 timeline for EV's with the 2025 ES BEV; though I'm not too keen on the six-light window design at the C-pillar.

There is an IS replacement coming as a fully electrified model - probably with the dedicated e-TNGA platform under the name "IZe".

If no trademark has been filed yet, the IS either the 2026 or 2027 model imo.
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Originally Posted by LexusForever
If no trademark has been filed yet, the IS either the 2026 or 2027 model imo.
I agree.
If 8ES is released in 2025 as 2026 model year, then the IZe probably released 2025 as 2026 MY, or 2026 as 2027 MY.
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Interesting thread.
Just a subnote to the above photos, I would wager to say Lexus's design themes are likely going to be different by the time some of those models appear. So I wouldn't take them at face value.
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Originally Posted by peteharvey
I agree.
If 8ES is released in 2025 as 2026 model year, then the IZe probably released 2025 as 2026 MY, or 2026 as 2027 MY.
I hope the IS will have a 2025 year. Even if the changes are small.
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Originally Posted by LexusForever
I hope the IS will have a 2025 year. Even if the changes are small.
like power folding mirrors which i believe it still doesn't have?
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
like power folding mirrors which i believe it still doesn't have?
Sure. And just having a 2025 model year. Lol
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Originally Posted by MPalmer
https://www.clublexus.com/articles/l...ure-es-models/

Not sure if this should go in the EV section or not, as it covers both hybrid and BEV rumors, but what we know... Lexus has filed trademark applications in Japan for the ES 350h, ES 350e, and ES 500e.
the new Mercedes E-class is marketing their new plug in as a E300e and a E400e etc. so Toyota is just following what the industry is doing. I am certain ES350e is referring to a plug in




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h+ was always confusing moniker for PHEV
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Originally Posted by Vladi
h+ was always confusing moniker for PHEV
Lexus still uses the "h+" code for their PHEV's?
While overseas, Lexus still uses the "e" code for their ICEV's converted to EV?

Thus, a Benz E300e is a PHEV.
However, a Lexus UX300e is an EV.
Hence, the forthcoming ES350e and ES500e should be GA-K's converted for EV use.

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Originally Posted by LexusForever
I hope the IS will have a 2025 year. Even if the changes are small.
Next gen IS will be EV only, won't be 2025, likely to be 2026. We already know what it looks like:







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